Featured New Birth before and Unto Faith !

Again you are denying the Scriptures by lumping faith into the category of works, when Scripture deny such. You deny Romans 4:3-5: Eph.2:8,9; Rom.5:1, and various other Scriptures. I don't know how you can deny all this Scripture and still say that faith is a work. It isn't. The Bible clearly says it isn't.

Are we to accept your definition above and beyond that which is of the Bible? I think not. Salvation is by faith. It is the gift of God freely received by faith. What does a person have to DO to receive a gift? Nothing! By faith they receive it. By faith a child receives a gift from their parents knowing their parents will not give them a bomb or anything detrimental to them. That is where the faith is. It is not a work.

And this is how you would define faith??
You are way off.

There is a difference in how it is used. Stephen Hawkings gets paid for the use of his mind. So do teachers, professors, writers, etc. That has nothing to do with faith. Who gets paid for "doing faith"? Answer that!
The answer is obvious. No one, because faith is not a work.

Is there a point there somewhere? Did they have to work at having evil thoughts?

You haven't demonstrated that.

If you deny that salvation is by faith, you deny Biblical salvation.

 

HP: Ask a housewife who get paid for doing work. She works and does not get paid. What does this prove?

I fail to see any logic coming from your illustration.

 

There is nothing stopping you from paying a housewife from doing work. It is work. Do you not keep up with the politics of your own nation. Romney's wife was just slammed by a democrat for not being a working-wife. Whereas she was a wife and mother who raised five children. The statement had to be retracted and profusely apologized for. The Democrats are busy in doing damage control. Mothers are some of the hardest working people in the American/Canadian workforce. Their work should be noted whether or not they receive actual dollars for it. It is work!!!!!!!!!!!
Ask any mother. Tell a mother that she doesn't work, and get prepared for a slap in the face.

 

Does it matter? A word is defined by its context, not by its etymology nor by simply one definition of the word. Context defines the word. Obviously it does not mean the work of a housewife, does it?

 

You do know that the Bible teaches that IF we have not placed our faith/belief in Jesus to be our saviour, we are still lost and dead in our sins!

 

That if thou shalt believe in the Lord Jesus Christ thou shalt be saved.

There is something wrong with the false statement that you posted. It remains false, as the Bible remains true.

 

IOW, You deny this verse:

if thou shalt believe in the Lord Jesus Christ thou shalt be saved.

You deny the Word of God.

 

No salvation is unconditional. It is the free gift of God (Rom.6:23). As with any gift, it must be received by faith.
You do err calling "faith" a work. In so doing you deny the Word of God, which declares very plainly that faith is not a work (Rom.4:3-5).
You disregard the teaching of Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.

It is as if you would cut these scriptures out of your Bible and throw them into the garbage--all because you define "faith" as a work, when it is not.

 

the atonement of jesus, substitionary death, is the basisof us getting justifed withGod , BUT must receive that free gift by faith!

 

HP: If ones faith is not preceded by or co-mixed with repentance for ones sins, they shall perish with or without faith. "Unless ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

By the way, sbm simply has no clue as to what a works salvation is all about. You have said nothing that merits the remark by sbm. :thumbs:

 

Tell that to Christ Jesus Sbm, since it was Christ Himself that commanded all men to repent or perish. Go ahead. Tell Jesus he taught a works based salvation.