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Matt Moore will be posting a blog post on this soon (he's working on it) and I'm really interested to see what he says. If any of you don't know who he is, he's a young man who has lived in the gay community for years and still struggles with same sex attraction but became a Christian and has had a very good, healthy stance on the subject since. His blog is moorematt.com

My feeling is that this is just another area that the church will need to address - and will struggle with in the future. It will become "hate speech" and a crime to call sin "sin".

 

No, it shouldn't. Normal therapy/counseling isn't what they are talking about.

The Obama administration is talking about conversion therapy for minors, not general therapy (pyschotherapy)/counseling.

I first learned about conversion therapy from a television program years ago. I don't like conversion therapy for homosexual minors. I never have. And I don't think it works in the long term for adults. It's way too intense - too Freudian. It USED to (in the olden days) involve institutionalization and even castration. It can now involve electro-shock therapy (I won't tell you where the shocks are given), "re-teaching" of self-gratification, aversion therapy (such as forcing a drug-induced nauseau/vomiting while showing them homo-erotic images), and far too many "physical" techniques that are questionable and do NOT address the spiritual, emotional, and mental states.

There's too much shaming as part of the treatment - convincing the person that he is "defective".

If I had a minor child who told me he was a homosexual, conversion therapy would not even be a blip on my radar screen of choices to lead him from this.

This piqued my interest and since I am having insomnia, I just spent the last hour looking at medical sites about this. Actually, there is no "legal" difference in terms of one being possibly banned and the other not. The two words are used interchangeably with only small actual differences.

Counseling doesn't require an advanced degree and is for the short-term present issues. Counseling looks at the coping of an issue.

Therapy (pyschotherapy) is more for chronic issues and usually requires an advanced degree. Therapy looks at causality of a person's issues.

They both involve talking with a trained individual and learning self-help techniques to deal with problems.

 

Thank you for this head's up. I am anxious to hear what this man has to say.

I believe that homosexuality is a great sin, but I also know that you can't just "pray the gay away".

Yes, God can and has miraculously delivered people from terrible sins. But the church (who is not God) has not taken a deep enough look into the strongholds of homosexuality to understand the psychological and mental issues nor does the church, in general, reach out to these people the way that Christ would have.

I pray all of the time for the homosexual students that are now adults that I once taught. I love them, they know that I love them, and they know that I do not condone their lifestyle.

And I know that my prayers are heard, AND I know that it's going to take more than just my little prayer for their healing.

I am anxious to hear what Mr. Moore has to say.

 

Homosexuality IS a stronghold, yes. A stronghold is a "castle" inhabited by demonic influence. It doesn't come tumbling down easily.

They have to be bound by God.

That's why a simple prayer is not enough. When the disciples in Matthew 17 couldn't heal a boy after Jesus had empowered them to heal and deliver, they asked why?

Jesus said that this kind required prayer and fasting.

What kind of prayers?

• prayers of righteous people
• expectant, believing prayers
• persistent and unceasing prayers
• corporate prayers
• prayers from a pure heart (no unconfessed sin)
• prayers accompanied with gratitude
• prayers in Jesus' name

Our prayers are many times too flippant and are not accompanied by the above.

I also believe God heals through the medical profession. I believe in Christian and Bible-based psychotherapy and counseling. It may take a while to find a competent Christian in this field, but they are there.

 

Sin is very multi-layered sometimes. Sometimes a drunk is a drunk because he is bitter about a dysfunctional family he was raised in. Sometimes a woman is promiscuous because she never had that loving father or father figure to teach her her value as a human being.

Yes, we sin because we are sinners. But sometimes the devil will attack someone with a particular weakness in an area that predisposes them to epic failure. The devil, as Beth Moore said, “plays hardball”. She said, “(we ignorantly) hope that the devil would draw the line where the fight would be fair, but he has no such scruples. When we have a disaster, we can count on him being right there at our weakest and most vulnerable place to (kick us when we are down).”

Sometimes a hoarder who is living a life fueled from depression is doing so because his prescription meds have a side effect of depression or perhaps he/she was sexually abused as a child and the hoarding "covers it up" and he/she doesn't have to deal with it.

Yes, sinners need to repent and sin is a spiritual problem.

But sometimes, getting to the root of WHY we do that warped things that we do can be a tremendous help in battling sin.

Psychotherapy is just an intense counseling with a doctor who is trained to lead you into an insight about yourself. It might incorporate an anti-depressant or that may never come up. It might incorporate a lot of techniques.

A competent Christian who practices psychotherapy in my mind would be a God-send to someone who is suffering from sinful behavior and attitudes. They could competently address the sin from both a spiritual point of view and a medical and life experience point of view.

 

I posted the wrong link in my post referencing Matt Moore. It's moorematt.org not .com

 

Here is the article. I haven't read it yet but wanted to post the link.

Again, Matt Moore is a young man who has been in the gay community as a gay man for many years but he came to know Jesus and now has a very good Biblical view of homosexuality in today's culture.

http://www.moorematt.org/a-better-alternative-to-gay-conversion-therapy/

OK - reading:

From the article:

 

I just told him that on Facebook. An EXCELLENT article.