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  1. mont974x4

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    The UN just voted in favor of palestinian statehood.
     
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    I admit to be pleasantly surprised that Obama not only did not vote for this but he had Rice and Hillary both spoke against it.



    JERUSALEM – The U.N. General Assembly voted Thursday in favor of Palestinian statehood, after the Palestinians asked it to recognize a non-member state of Palestine in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and east Jerusalem, and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

    The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a more than two-thirds majority of the 193-member world body -- a vote of 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

    Real independence, however, remains an elusive dream until the Palestinians negotiate a peace deal with the Israelis, who warned that the General Assembly action will only delay a lasting solution. Israel still controls the West Bank, east Jerusalem and access to Gaza, and it accused the Palestinians of bypassing negotiations with the campaign to upgrade their U.N. status.

    The United States immediately criticized the historic vote. "Today's unfortunate and counterproductive resolution places further obstacles in the path peace," U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said.

    And U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called the vote "unfortunate" and "counterproductive."


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/1...an-statehood-bid-ahead-un-vote/#ixzz2DebBgQMn
     
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    Yes...let's give statehood to terrorists. :rolleyes: We need to pull out of the UN
     
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    We reward criminals here, so why not reward invaders there?
     
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    Not being an expert in the geography of the Middle East, I have always wondered how an independent Palestinian state would work. The Gaza strip and the West Bank are seperated geographically by Israel proper. If these two sections of land were one independent nation, how would its citizens get from one to the other? Surely they do not think that Israel would let there be a constant stream of Muslims allowed to cross Israel unchecked.

    As far as the UN goes, I have posted many threads about getting out without much response. We fund the entire organization, the American tax payer. They use our land and buildings. Without our funds, they would not exist. The UN is a drain on our treasury and our sovereignty. Almost every vote is against our national interests. Not only should we pull out of the organization, we should kick them off our soil. Let them take up residence in Iran.
     
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    It is not workable without the destruction of Israel.
     
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    Good!

    Are you implying that Palestinians invaded Palestine?
     
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    All this does is complicate things. It advances nothing.
     
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    It's already complicated nearly beyond comprehension, that is, without going back to the origins of the conflict and following it through to the present, and then there's some clarity.

    So, what are we trying to advance here, peace? Or the building of the third temple? Or the long awaited coming of good ol' AC, or what? Why the consternation?

    What's not going to get advanced?
     
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    Nothing worse than emboldening terroists
     
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    Saving Israel From Itself

    "....Netanyahu’s opposition to a Palestinian state? The key to understanding this vital issue is to consider two questions. First, what does Israel’s future look like in the absence of a two-state solution? In other words, where is Israel headed if Netanyahu gets his way? Second, what are the likely consequences for America, Israel, and the Palestinians?

    Given present circumstances, there are three possible alternatives if the Palestinians do not get their own state, all of which involve creating a “greater Israel”—an Israel that effectively controls the West Bank and Gaza, or all of what was once called Mandatory Palestine.

    In the first scenario, greater Israel would become a democratic binational state in which Palestinians and Jews enjoy equal political rights. This solution has been suggested by a handful of Jews and a growing number of Palestinians. It means abandoning the original Zionist vision of a Jewish state, however, since the Palestinians would eventually outnumber the Jews in greater Israel. Uri Avnery, a prominent Israeli journalist and peace activist, is surely correct when he says, “There is no chance at all that the Jewish public will agree, in this generation or the next, to live as a minority in a state dominated by an Arab majority.” Israel’s supporters in America would also have virtually no interest in this outcome.

    Second, Israel could expel most of the Palestinians from greater Israel, thereby preserving its Jewish character through an overt act of ethnic cleansing. This seems unlikely, not just because it would be a crime against humanity, but also because there are about 5.5 million Palestinians between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, and they would put up fierce resistance if Israel tried to expel them from their homes.

    Still, there are good reasons to worry that Israel might adopt this solution as the demographic balance shifts and concerns about the survival of the Jewish state intensifiy. It is apparent from public-opinion surveys and everyday discourse that many Israelis hold racist views about Palestinians, and the recent Gaza War made clear that they have few qualms about killing Palestinian civilians. A century of conflict and four decades of occupation will do that to a people. Furthermore, a substantial number of Israeli Jews—40 percent or more—believe that the Arab citizens of Israel should be “encouraged” to leave by the government. Indeed, former foreign minister Tzipi Livni recently said that if there were a two-state solution, she expected Israel’s Palestinian citizens to leave and settle in the new Palestinian state.

    The final and most likely alternative is some form of apartheid, whereby Israel increases its control over the Occupied Territories, but allows the Palestinians limited autonomy in a set of disconnected and economically crippled enclaves. Israelis and their American supporters invariably bristle at the comparison to white rule in South Africa, but that is their future if they create a greater Israel while denying full political rights to an Arab population that will soon outnumber the Jewish population in the entirety of the land. Former prime minister Ehud Olmert said as much when he proclaimed that if “the two-state solution collapses,” Israel will “face a South-African-style struggle.” He went so far as to argue, “as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished.” Other Israelis, as well as Jimmy Carter and Bishop Desmond Tutu, have warned that continuing the occupation will turn Israel into an apartheid state."
     
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    I am. That land, and so much more, belongs to Israel as God has promised.
     
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    So you view it all through the lens of Dispensational Theology/Eshatology.
     
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    Much like you view it through the lens of the ridiculous notion that Jesus has returned.
     
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    “Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian state, but for peace to endure, Israel’s security must be protected. The Palestinians must recognize the Jewish state and they must be prepared to end the conflict with Israel once and for all.

    None of these vital interests, these vital interests of peace, none of them appear in the resolution that will be put forward before the General Assembly today and that is why Israel cannot accept it. The only way to achieve peace is through agreements that are reached by the parties directly; through valid negotiations between themselves, and not through UN resolutions that completely ignore Israel’s vital security and national interests And because this resolution is so one-sided, it doesn’t advance peace, it pushes it backwards.

    As for the rights of the Jewish people in this land, I have a simple message for those people gathered in the General Assembly today: No decision by the UN can break the 4000-year-old bond between the people of Israel and the land of Israel.”

    http://makeadifference.cufi.org/?p=2172
     
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    Show me that please.

    [edit] egad, never mind, you're using CUFI. ....gag, puke, wretch....
     
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    A Palestinian terror leader says Iran’s president has called him to praise the performance of his group, the Islamic Jihad, in the recent fighting against Israel.

    Ramadan Shallah told The Associated Press that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered congratulations on Sunday in phone calls to him and to Hamas’ prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh.

    Shallah says Iran supported Palestinians militarily and “financially” during the eight-day fighting.

    http://makeadifference.cufi.org/?p=2123
     
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    I view it through the lens of Scripture and the knowledge of a God who is ever faithful to His promises.


    Also, I fully support a nation defending itself against terrorists and people who wish to annihilate them.
     
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    So you are glad those who have no business in Israel's land and who want them obliterated now are a state...and everyones claim of antisemitism against you is false. Yeah...right..
     

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