Featured Spiritual life without Spiritual Union?

You are ignoring the Biblical facts I placed in front of you! Animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were nothing more than baptism and the Lord's Supper in the New Testament - SYMBOLIC ORDINANCES! or what the New Testament refer to as a "shadow" (Heb. 10:1) which never took aways sins. What took away sins was FAITH IN CHRIST - Acts 10:43

Read the Psalms and take note that the Psalms are the records of a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP between David and God.

 

So you really think that David's personal relationship with God was different than any of God's people? Why should God have him write it 1000 years before the cross if NNE but Kings, priests and prophets could identify with it??????

Caleb had such a relationship of faith with God and he was not a prophet, preist or king. You can't read his life without seeing he was a man of strong faith in God and proved it by his walk.

Your arguments are weak and baseles because they contradict the plain and explicit words of inspired men - Romans 8:8-9; Acts 10:43; Heb. 4:2 which are not applied to merely kings, prophets and preists but to "whosoever" (Acts 10:43) and to all who are his (Rom. 8:8-9). Nicodemus was not a prophet, priest or king and yet he could experience the new birth BEFORE the cross, BEFORE Pentecost by the Spirit of God or else Christ could never have rebuked him and told him he need to be born again.

 

The plain truth is that there can be no possibility of SPIRITUAL LIFE apart from UNION WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

The plain truth is that where there is no UNION WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD there is SPIRITUAL DEATH.

Those who are SPIRITUALLY DEAD are "children of wrath....children of disobedience" whose end is Gehenna

Your theory assigns all human beings previous to the day of Pentecost to SPIRITUAL DEATH and thus to Gehenna.

Furthermore, your theory demands that before the world began the only ones "chosen in him" "to salvation" (Eph. 1:4; 2 Thess. 1:4-5; 2:13) were Post-Pentecostal people and thus OUTSIDE THE COVENANT OF GRACE as only those "chosen in him" are the objects of both Ephesians 1:4-13 and Romans 8:28-32.

To be outside Epheisans 1:4-13 and Romans 8:28-32 is to be OUTSIDE OF CHRIST and there is no salvation for anyone outside of Christ.

 

Not true! I believe in the complete restoration and salvation of NATIONAL ETHNIC ISRAEL and I am a post-tribulational but PRE-MILLENNIALIST.

Both Covenant Theology and HYPER-dispensationalism are false doctrines but yet equally contain some truth.

 

It is the Bible's own terminology "everlasting covenant" - Heb. 13:20.

The Covenant of works COULD NEVER impart life (Gal. 3:21) and NEVER justify anyone at anytime (Rom. 3:19-20).

The Covenant theology aspect on salvation is correct but their error is in their application. Just because the covenant is applied to the "elect" as INDIVIDUALS does not deny it will be applied to the one and only "elect" nation of Israel as well. The same salvation for individual elect is the same salvation that will save "all Israel" under the same covenant of grace.

Of course the salvation of Israel at that time is as INDIVIDUALS but corporately at the same time just as the 3000 were saved on the day of Pentecost.

All the elect from Genesis to Revelation are saved under the same covenant of grace but so is the elect nation of Israel.

 

That is impossible! The nature of salvation cannot be changed because the nature of sin is what salvation is provided for. Old Testament people had the SAME sin nature and therefore there cannot be TWO different kinds of solutions as that is TWO different kinds of salvation from sin.

The "means" of salvation define the SOLUTION to what they are being saved from - from their sins. There can be no variety of solutions to be saved from sin without a vareity of gospels, a variety of Saviors, etc.

Your logic simply crashes when I ask you about people PRIOR TO MOSES? According to Hebrews the Old Covenant was established and ratified with Israel in the wilderness at Mount Sinai (Heb. 8-9; 12:18-20).

However, that covenant saved no one! Justified no one. Imparted life to no one. It was never designed to save anyone! So, where can you find salvation for anyone prior to Moses, during Moses and prior to Pentecost?

If you would do a contextual study of Romans 7-8:9 you would see that your theory is completely impossible and irrational as well as unbiblical.

Paul proves that under law saved no one in Romans 7:6-12. Paul proves that neither the will of the regenerated man or the law of God could sanctify anyone in Romans 7:14-25.

This is true for all before and after Penecost! Hence, your theory is left with NO PERSONAL SALVATION from sin for anyone prior to Pentecost.

Moreoer, your theory demands they were SPIRITUALLY DEAD and they physically died in SPIRITUAL DEATH as there can be no SPIRITUAL LIFE outside of Christ and apart from spiritual union with God.

 

The only differences were

1. that the gospel was progressive in revelation gradually being filled out until completion in the life of Christ whereas we look back at a complete expanded gospel - but no different in essence as Acts 10:43 proves.

2. They could not obtain the hope of resurrection and glorification "being made perfect" but had to wait to be perfected with us - Heb. 11

3. We had a better "house of God" and better ordinances as ours looked back at the first coming as well as forward to the second coming.

4. Because Christ came and fulfilled the promise of the gospel we have a fuller and clearer revelation.

I have got to go, the NBA finals are on and I am a HEAT fan!

 

The veil in the temple was merely a TYPE of Christ's flesh not his real flesh. That TYPE was fulfilled when the Son of God became incarnated and provided the propitiation that was promised in the gospel preached by all the prophets.

In regard to the TYPE it was invalidated as was the whole temple at Jerusalem which was merely a "pattern"!

Gospel salvation before and after was completely unaffected the TYPE and the fulfillment of the TYPE and the abolishment of the TYPE.

The pre-incarnation type no more hindered the salvation before the cross as the post-incarnation types (baptism/Lord's Supper) hinder it after the cross.

 

These things are a "shadow" (Heb. 10:10; Col. 2:16-17) and obtain nothing more than baptism and the Lord's Supper today obtain salvation or acceptance before God. Acts 10:43 explicitly and clearly tells you how sins were actually remitted "whosoever believeth" not "whosoever offered up sacrifices and came through a priest"!!!! Abel offered up a lamb because of "faith" already in Christ and the atlar was the place of worship and the acceptable method to demonstrate his faith not to procure it. His faith was procured by the indwelling Spirit of God as faith is the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT not the product of ceremonialism.

Abraham's justification occurred before submission to ceremonial ordinances (Rom. 4:11). God called abraham DIRECTLY by the gospel (Gal. 3:8) as a heathen not as a practicing Jew or one who offered up sacrifices or went through priests. All those OUTWARD things were simply SHADOWS, ceremonial pictures that could "NEVER" take away sins, NEVER provide LITERAL access to God but only provided a SYMBOLIC access that was actually obtained THROUGH FAITH - Acts 10:43

What preist did Abel go through? What Preist did Noah go through? What Priest did Shem go through? What preist did Moses go through out in the desert when God directly called him?

The TYPE was fulfilled and done away when Christ actually came and fulfilled what was promised and what was SYMBOLIZED but faith received it and acted upon it DIRECTLY before the cross and through faith ALL the benefits were applied by God to His people before the cross.

Think for a moment! Romans 8:7 describes every man's fallen nature by physical birth. What changed that mindset in Abel that was not changed in Cain? What changed that mindset in Jacob that was not changed in Esau? Think! There had to be a fundemental and total INTERNAL TRANSFORMATION within Abel or else he would be no different than Cain but at "enmity with God and is NOT SUBJECT to the law of God and NEITHER INDEED CAN BE." Tell me what effects such an INTERNAL CHANGE of nature before the cross??? Paul tells you in Romans 8:8-9.