Featured The "Carnal mind" in Romans 8:7

Very curious as to your understanding of translating articles (assuming when they are specific in the text) and when it is appropriate to supply articles in translating genative cases as in the 2 in Galations 3:2. I'm assuming you are referring to akoe pisteos (you didn't exactly say since there are 4 articles most English translations). *nevermind, I see what you highlighted

The akoe pisteos is a qualitative genative as the pisteos is functioning as an adjective. It is properly translated "the hearing of faith" in the KJV. This is translated the same way in 1 Cor 12:17. Several other translations also follow this rendering:


American Standard Version
This only would I learn from you. Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

English Revised Version
This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Young's Literal Translation
this only do I wish to learn from you -- by works of law the Spirit did ye receive, or by the hearing of faith?

1599 Geneva
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by the hearing of faith preached?

Knox Bible
Let me be content with asking you one question, Was it from observance of the law that the Spirit came to you, or from obeying the call of faith? [Knox ADDS to the word of God hear as "call" is not an acceptable rendering for akoe, but he still adds the article).

Other renderings:

NET Bible (2006)
The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard?

International Standard Version (2012)
I want to learn only one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the actions of the Law or by believing what you heard?

New Living Translation (2007)
Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ.

Mounce Interlinear
2 Only this I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

CEV
2 I want to know only one thing. How were you given God’s Spirit? Was it by obeying the Law of Moses or by hearing about Christ and having faith in him?

Even Darby added the article to his translation:

3:2 This only I wish to learn of you, Have ye received the Spirit on the principle of works of law, or of [the] report of faith?


You have therefore several in your camp, and one that you sited from Darby that disagree with you.

 

Somewhat tired, and a lot bored.

BTW, I was enjoying the respectful and fruitful exchange you and I were having on another thread before it was closed.

 

Well, I suggest you familiarize yourself further with my perspective, and that way you can feel more comfortable and assured when you condemn me to hell for heresy.

 

Never even entered my heart or mind. I don't condemn anyone to hell for heresy nor do I stand in judgment of a person's salvation. That isn't my authority.

I was merely stating that I was alarmed that a person who is Baptist might actually not consider the blood as necessary to redemption. Though upon reflection I did run across a few modernists preachers who actually considered much of the Bible as myth - so I really shouldn't be too surprised (alarmed).

I haven't read enough to know what is your actual view, or if it has been a misplaced assumption by others.

Perhaps you would be generous enough to put your thinking down here or better what thread that occurs so it might be known were your thinking on the blood occurs on the BB.

Do you believe that the blood sacrifice was necessary as it relates to the death of Christ, or is your view that the death and not the blood is the proper focus to take - that is, any mode of death would have sufficed?

 

1 Corinthians 3:18
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise.

Colossians 2:
2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is. My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

James 1:22
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

If you think you can't be deceived by your carnal mind that even a believer is still contending with you deceive yourself.

This carnal mind our flesh is something we will fight until we get the spiritual body. We have to beat it into submission so we our self will not be disqualified for the prize. The goal of our faith is the salvation of our soul. What we are seeing is being destroyed every minute but our soul is being renewed through His word. We might not see it but we are seeing the results. I really don't care if I am being ignored or made fun of I will not lean on my own understanding but trust in His word.

 

Since your reply was gracious, I will answer you. First, I am not one who believes the Bible is myth.

Secondly, see the part I put in bold. That is close to saying what I believe. But I would say more: That the focus is and should be on the entire life of Jesus, from His Incarnation, life, death, and resurrection. Many parts of the church, from RC medievalism on to the Protestant Magisterial Reformation, to modern Evangelical Protestantism, are fixated on one aspect of Jesus' life and work, the atonement, separating it from everything else.