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Jesus acknowledges the death penalty is from his father in John 19;11.

Paul did likewise in Acts 25;11.

The thieves on their crosses confess the punishment was just in Luke 24;31.

Romans 13 tells us that when governments do not use capital punishment evil reigns and equity vanishes.

 

This unfortunately is true. It is just as plain that, for death penalty opponents, it is an argument of their own creation. And it comes down to non-issue of life in prion being a longer form of the death penalty, as either way the convicted is bound without freedom while awaiting death. The difference comes down to how many years a prisoner has to escape-- which may could be none in the current system; that is, many years either way to escape, and the difference being perhaps none.

 

CBT never quotes any Scripture on this subject.

CBT has been posting his own personal opinion for weeks, over and over, on this subject.

CBT never address the point that the cost of executions is connected to the endless appeals filed by taxpayer-paid public defenders, who only earn government money when they are filing appeals. We have a murderer on Death Row since 1989 in Indiana. Is that justice?

CBT has refused to answer questions about the execution of German Nazi SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Adolf Eichmann, a mastermind of the Nazi concentration camps who was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Eichmann was executed for crimes against humanity on May 31, 1962.

Apparently CBT would not even execute mass murderers.

CBT has no Scripture to justify the opinion that his human brain has given him. It is CBT against Scripture.

Take you pick, Alcott.

 

As Alcott points out above, that is a problem of your own making.

So you're okay with a lifetime of suffering and misery--which also applies to those who *might* be wrongfully imprisoned.

A lifetime of suffering and misery.

I have a newfound insight as to your character, CTB. And for all this "grace" and "mercy" that you preach, indicating that you have a better insight into Christ's teachings than those who are "pro-death" ... well, let's just call you "pro-torture."

 

I see both sides of this argument. The death penalty does work. It does reduce crime, but would be much more affective if it was timelier. And it should of course be cheaper. There are innocents executed, but many more innocents that become victims. It is an easy choice when you don’t know any of the dead, kill 8-10 innocents to save 8-10 thousand, but when it is someone you know it is much harder.

Here is my solution. If ever elected to congress I will submit a bill for this, that scenario is unlikely, but here goes:

We FEDERALIZE the execution process. Yea I know, I am among the strongest for limiting the federal government, but stick with me.

We are not talking about taking anything away from the state. The state still convicts and sentences the criminal to death. We keep that exactly the same as it is now. (For federal crimes of course the federal government convicts and sentences).

BUT, once the criminal is sentenced to death they are immediately transferred to a federal facility. No more state “death rows.” No more state “old sparky” or other execution methods, it is all done by the federal government.

The federal government then establishes a federal “death court.” All appeals and all reviews under the current system are eliminated. The individual governors can retain the ability to pardon, but once the death sentence is handed down the case is immediately reviewed by the federal death court. No sense wasting time with intermediate steps, each case goes straight to the top.

For up to six months after sentencing the convicted criminal’s case can be reviewed by the death court. This court would have access to all modern review ability including their own DNA lab and forensic scientists. If they can find evidence of doubt the sentence (not the conviction) is suspended and the case referred back to the state of origination. If after six months extraordinary circumstances call for a delay they can ask for a 3 month delay from the court. Barring that, 6 months after sentencing, unless returned to the state, the execution is carried out by the federal government.

Each convict gets a high level review and access to the latest technology. Each victim gets justice in a timely manner. The states don’t have to carry the cost of housing and executing the criminals. The nation gets a uniform application of the death penalty. I don’t see a looser under this proposal unless it is the guilty criminal.

I do understand the states reluctance to give up the execution to the federal government. The federal government has destroyed everything else it has ever touched so I am sure they would find a way to mess this up as well. If we did not hold to the six month rule then we could end up with huge federal costs and backlogs. The sentence of death would still be given out by the state so I don’t see how the federal government could mess that up, but I am sure they would find a way.

Anyway, what other problems do you see?

 

We don't need to federalize anything. Indiana is perfectly capable of dealing with people who commit crimes in Indiana. What we need is for the Great Gov. Mike Pence to institute reform in the Indiana law to allow for a time limit on appeals, but Gov. Pence is too busy keeping taxes high and running for President.

Scripture calls for the death penalty for attacking the image of God. People think that they know better and are ignoring Scripture. CBT says that the commandment against murder does not apply to the unborn child so you can see what the secular humanists have in mind for us.

 

It is to shudder. Excellent post.

 

He also says that the child is not alive until its born. He also decried back ally abortions in a very odd way to defend PP. But he then tries to convince us that he oppose abortions.


Believe him if you want too.

 

Are you really saying that causing someone 50 or more years of suffering and misery is your preferred choice?

 

Unfortunately for you, you have no Scripture to back up your personal thinking. You repeat yourself on this issue constantly and never answer any questions. For example, you cannot show where Jesus overthrew the Law in the case of the Law given to Noah:

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

 

In the meantime, your preference is to subject them to years and years and years of misery and suffering.

If you won't admit it to us, at least admit it to yourself.

 

I asked a few pages ago, are you still saying Christ ended the death penalty ?

 

You've never been institutionalized, CTB. I've come close, due to deployments.

So if I were innocent, but facing the choice between execution or life in prison--I personally would be hard-pressed NOT to choose the execution.

How many sentenced to death opt for a speedy execution, refusing appeal? How many on death row commit suicide? Why do you think that is?

No, CTB; for all your talk of mercy and "possible innocence," all you're really doing--by your own admission--is promoting a continuing life of misery and suffering.

Where in scripture does it tell us to wish that upon anyone? How does that make us Christ-like, or sgow His mercy and grace?