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Man 'Trapped in Coma' for 23 Years Was Awake Whole Time

annsni

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When my grandmother was dying, there was a woman in the next hospital room who needed life support. The family was not sure they wanted to put her on it but they finally decided to put her on a respirator, which was a decision that was causing a lot of strife in the family. I don't know what the diagnosis or prognosis for the patient was but I do know that when my grandmother passed away 8 days later, the other patient was sitting up in her bed, off the respirator and fully aware and talking. She just needed some help for a short time. I do know that she was to be sent home the next day but I don't know her final outcome or anything.

That stuck with me. How can we just say "no" in all circumstances when we don't know the circumstances? We can't.
 

Johnv

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Thatmight be apples and oranges. My ex wife's mother was on a respirator for years. She wasn't brain dead at that time.

BTW, even if my mother wasn't brain dead, I wouldn't allow a respirator. Those are her express wishes. It would not be what I want, but those are her wishes, and I will honor that.
 

webdog

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Schiavo's autopsy didn't show this. It showed that she had been brain dead for a long time. Huge portions of her brain were gone, replaced with fluid. This isnt' what you expect to see in a person who was cognisant until being deprived food and water. It's what you expect to see in the brain of a person who had been brain dead for a prolonged period of time.
None of the reports I have read said she was brain dead, do you have a link? It did state her brain had shrunk to half it's size and she had irreversible brain damage...but I can't find where she was ever declared brain dead.
 

Robert Snow

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There was no proof whether or not Mrs. Schiavo was brain dead, at least not until her autopsy, which was too late if she had had any cognitive ability. Why not err on the side of caution and give these patients the benefit of the doubt. After all, how much trouble would it be to continue to feed or otherwise care for these people until they die naturally?
 

Revmitchell

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It all boiled down to Mr. Schivo wanted to move ( he already had a girlfriend) on and did not want to be seen divorcing his wife in her condition so he had her killed. oh the depth of depravity.
 

Johnv

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None of the reports I have read said she was brain dead, do you have a link? It did state her brain had shrunk to half it's size and she had irreversible brain damage...but I can't find where she was ever declared brain dead.
I guess I should be more clear, since using layman's terms like "brain dead" is ambiguous. What I'm referring to is her cerebrum. Her autopsy showed the bulk of her cerebrum was not only infarcted (dead), but that the infarcted tissue had been replaced by fluid, something that is indicative of the infarction being chronic, and not acute. Involuntary function aren't contrilled by the cerebrum. They're actually controlled by the brain stem.

Anyhoo, that's a long-winded way of saying that there was no formal activity in the cerebrum. Most of the cerebrum was long dead. No cognition, consciousness, feeling, thinking, etc.
Why not err on the side of caution and give these patients the benefit of the doubt. After all, how much trouble would it be to continue to feed or otherwise care for these people until they die naturally?
The concenses, though, is whether a person has the right to choose to not have lifesaving or lifepreserving procedures done. We generally concur that they do. When a person is in such a state, it befalls that person's spouse to make that determination.
It all boiled down to Mr. Schivo wanted to move ( he already had a girlfriend) on and did not want to be seen divorcing his wife in her condition so he had her killed. oh the depth of depravity.
No doubt about it, the guy was a pig. But it's a matter of record that he first wished to excercise termination of lifesaving procedures back in 1993, before he had a girlfriend. Had he not backed out of it then, this would have been an issue. As much of a pic as he was, the responsibility for making medical directives was still his. He even gave power to make that decision to the court rather than him making the decision himself.
 
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webdog

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I guess I should be more clear, since using layman's terms like "brain dead" is ambiguous. What I'm referring to is her cerebrum. Her autopsy showed the bulk of her cerebrum was not only infarcted (dead), but that the infarcted tissue had been replaced by fluid, something that is indicative of the infarction being chronic, and not acute. Involuntary function aren't contrilled by the cerebrum. They're actually controlled by the brain stem.

Anyhoo, that's a long-winded way of saying that there was no formal activity in the cerebrum. Most of the cerebrum was long dead. No cognition, consciousness, feeling, thinking, etc.
So she wasn't legally brain dead, and they had no business depriving her of sustenance that would keep her alive. Another case of judges creating law from the bench instead of interpreting it.
 

Johnv

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So she wasn't legally brain dead, and they had no business depriving her of sustenance that would keep her alive.
Not so. Next of kin are frequently permitted to decide advanced care directives. It's a difficult decision family must make every day. It's not reserved only for people whose brain activity is flatline. For example, if my mother has a heart attack, I will direct medical professionals not to revive her. That is her wish. It's not a decision that I ever want to make, but it's her wish. Some will say "she could easily have been revived", which might be true, but it's not her wish.
Another case of judges creating law from the bench instead of interpreting it.
Again, not so. The law expressly gives a spouse the right and privilege of determining advanced care directives. Michael Schiavo, albeit a fornicating pig, was still her husband, and therefore legally entitled to make that decision on her behalf.
 
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Amy.G

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Again, not so. The law expressly gives a spouse the right and privilege of determining advanced care directives. Michael Schiavo, albeit a fornicating pig, was still her husband, and therefore legally entitled to make that decision on her behalf.
True, but her parents wanted to take over her care and he could have divorced her. But then he wouldn't get the insurance settlement. Pig is a good description.
 

Johnv

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True, but her parents wanted to take over her care and he could have divorced her.
The funny thing about that is, Terri's parents told him in 1991 to "get on with his life" and start dating. That makes them party to the pigfeed. That aside, court records show they were in diagreement over Terri's care in 1993. He wasn't a pig yet, even if his tail was already starting to curl. He didn't start dating his current wife until 1995.
But then he wouldn't get the insurance settlement. Pig is a good description.
He got an insurance settlement of $300K in 1993, which is his and his exclusively (before he met his current wife), regardless. Another 750k went into a trust fund for Terri's care, but iirc, that money was for the most part exhausted by the time Terri passed away.
 

Revmitchell

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Is so....just had to get that out there.
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