Pope 'Deeply Disturbed' by Child Sex-Abuse Scandal in Ireland

[Trotter]

In all fairness, several of us showed you what the Catholic Church teaches from the Catholic Church's own Catechism and documents and yet, you still denied that the Catholic Church teaches those things. So either you're being outright dishonest or you really have no idea what your own religion teaches.

lori4dogs is Anglican according to their profile, which is basically the same as Catholic for all intents and purposes... especially since the Catholic Church is throwing wide the doors for Anglicans who are elaving due to the homosexuals being appointed of late. You could point out until you are blue in the face and it won't make a difference.

 

[lori4dogs]

It is easy and cheap to accuse bigotry and hatred. Often it is used in retaliation because someone does not like the position of another. The claims of heresy and cults indicate neither. They simply indicate a complete set of false teachings. Why Catholics want to come and read a board that is set as a Baptist is beyond me. I would not go to a catholic board and accuse them of hatred and bigotry. In fact I do not go to catholic boards at all. It serves no purpose. What is obvious is that when a catholic comes here they have an agenda. And if they are just going to have to understand that we have differing doctrines of which we see no tolerance available. Catholics should repent.

Actually, I think Johndeerfan knows what I'm talking about. And I'm not talking exclusively about him. Many other Baptist posters have made the same observations certain postings by people who use every opportunity to Catholic bash. There is a difference between stating a position and calling someone an apostate, heretic, cult member, etc.

Since you have the 'true doctrine' and there is no chance that my positions have any grounding in the word and since in my posting anything on this board will make no difference I should leave right? By the way, I've stated my reasons for posting on the BB over and over.

And as far as the 'Catholic's should repent' comment, my bible says' ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

 

[lori4dogs]

No, it has nothing to do with being anti-Catholic. These are undeniable, historical, documented facts.

The fact is that there has been an institution-wide cover up within the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is known to have paid off victims to keep quiet, threatened them with ex-communication (which, in the Catholic Church means a loss of any hope of salvation), as routinely hides pedophile priests from prosecution by merely sending them to other parishes without even informing parents and families in that parish of the predator in their midst.

I agree that the cover ups are disgusting. If it had happened in just one church it would need swift action. I'm not sure that is not happening in the case in Ireland. The pope does not state what is being done but knowing this popes track record as Cardinal Ratzinger, I suspect it is happening.

I will state that it is 2% of Catholic clergy that believed to be pedophiles and that leaves 98% that are not. It is that 2% that need to be given the boot and in the case of the ones who have offended little children, they need to be in prison.

BTW, excommunication is meant to be a temporary effect as means to bring about repentance in an individual. It is meant to be a wake up call. I don't know of the incident you are talking about but if it has been used as a way to coerce someone then that is disgusting as well.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I agree that the cover ups are disgusting. If it had happened in just one church it would need swift action. I'm not sure that is not happening in the case in Ireland. The pope does not state what is being done but knowing this popes track record as Cardinal Ratzinger, I suspect it is happening.

There is nothing happening, except taxpayer money being given to victims.

 

[abcgrad94]

And as far as the 'Catholic's should repent' comment, my bible says' ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Yes, all of us have sinned, this is true.

So, other than feeling like catholics are being "bashed" here, what are your feelings concerning the OP? The OP has a valid point, regardless of whether one likes or dislikes catholic teaching. I think we should reserve our passionate emotions for the poor children who have been abused, instead of turning this into a "you-hate-catholics" thread.

Truth must be exposed and dealt with whether we like it or not. If we were discussing Baptist preachers abusing children, my response would still be the same, even if someone used the situation to attack all Baptists in general.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I agree that the cover ups are disgusting.

So you're saying that there have been cover-ups? Why, you hateful bigot, you!

If it had happened in just one church it would need swift action. I'm not sure that is not happening in the case in Ireland. The pope does not state what is being done but knowing this popes track record as Cardinal Ratzinger, I suspect it is happening.

Right. He engaged in covering it up as a Cardinal, but now that he's the pope, all of a sudden, he grew a conscience?

they need to be in prison.

So why has the Catholic Church tried to hard to keep that from happening?

BTW, excommunication is meant to be a temporary effect as means to bring about repentance in an individual. It is meant to be a wake up call. I don't know of the incident you are talking about but if it has been used as a way to coerce someone then that is disgusting as well.

Don't get me wrong, I love it when the Catholic church excommunicates someone because that gives us the opportunity to come along and share the Gospel with them and explain the difference between the Biblical Gospel and the false Catholic Gospel.

I just think it's wrong for the Catholic Church to use it as a threat to keep their followers in line.

 

[Revmitchell]

And as far as the 'Catholic's should repent' comment, my bible says' ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The difference being I am justified by faith through Christ. Catholics add works to grace. All who hold to the catholic position needs to repent. But of course you already know that.

 

[lori4dogs]

'Right. He engaged in covering it up as a Cardinal, but now that he's the pope, all of a sudden, he grew a conscience?'

Now this I am interested it. I'm not aware that he was involved in a cover-up as a cardinal. In all seriousness, do you have evidence that he did this?

 

[donnA]

Let me share this with you Donna. When Catholics visit this board, and they do even though they aren't allowed to participate, do you really think that when they read the garbage posted by Catholic basher's, that haven't a clue what the Catholic Church really teaches, that it is going to win them over? It just turns them off. Referring to people as heretics and being a member of a cult doesn't communicate that a person has the love of Jesus in their heart. It communicates hatred and bigotry. I've noticed several Baptist's say goodbye to this board of late because they are sick of reading the garbage posted by Catholic haters.

a cult is a cult and that what the rcc is, like it or not.
Your off topic, please stick with the op topic, or start a new thread.
Apparently so far you don't think we should punish pedophiles, if they are catholics.

 

[Amy.G]

do you really think that when they read the garbage posted by Catholic basher's, that haven't a clue what the Catholic Church really teaches, that it is going to win them over?

Personally I have never bashed a Catholic or called them any names, but to say that we don't have a clue what the RCC teaches is wrong. Any teachings that I have commented on or posted I got straight from the Catholic websites. I have only posted what Catholics themselves claim to teach. And all of it is unbiblical.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

'Right. He engaged in covering it up as a Cardinal, but now that he's the pope, all of a sudden, he grew a conscience?'

Now this I am interested it. I'm not aware that he was involved in a cover-up as a cardinal. In all seriousness, do you have evidence that he did this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-pope-led-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-priests.do

 

[Revmitchell]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-pope-led-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-priests.do

Wow!.............