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Gerson Hits the Nail on the Head on Pluralism & Freedom of Religion

Marcia

Active Member
Everyone should read this brief column by Michael Gerson, which came out today. He discusses the Hume-Tiger Woods brouhaha and points out where the true intolerance lies.

....The assumption of these criticisms is that proselytization is the antonym of tolerance. Asserting the superiority of one's religious beliefs, in this view, is not merely bad manners; it involves a kind of divisive, offensive judgmentalism.

But the American idea of religious liberty does not forbid proselytization; it presupposes it. Free, autonomous individuals not only have the right to hold whatever beliefs they wish, they also have the right to change those beliefs and to persuade others to change as well. Just as there is no political liberty without the right to change one's convictions and publicly argue for them, there is no religious liberty without the possibility of conversion and persuasion.

....Hume's critics hold a strange view of pluralism. For religion to be tolerated, it must be privatized -- not, apparently, just in governmental settings but also on television networks. We must have not only a secular state but also a secular public discourse. And so tolerance, conveniently, is defined as shutting up people with whom secularists disagree. Many commentators have been offering Woods advice in his travails. But religious advice, apparently and uniquely, should be forbidden. In a discussion of sex, morality and betrayed vows, wouldn't religious issues naturally arise? How is our public discourse improved by narrowing it -- removing references to the most essential element in countless lives? <MORE>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/07/AR2010010703244.html

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Marcia

Active Member
So did anyone read this? I'm surprised there are no comments. I thought religious liberty was a big topic here.
 

Joseph M. Smith

New Member
Yes, I read Gerson's article in the Post, and thought it was excellent. I like the fact that he points out that it is not only Christianity that makes a claim to be THE way ... other religions and ideologies do as well.

Interesting, too, that the critics of Hume seem shrill, undisciplined, and caustic. Looks to this preacher like signs of insecurity!
 

Marcia

Active Member
Some don't watch right wing TV.

I don't either. I didn't see Hume say this but read about it and then watched a clip on the Internet.

This incident has been written about in numerous papers and blogged about all over the Internet.
 

PamelaK

New Member
Thank you for bringing this article to our attention, Marcia. I too think it was excellent!

I did not see the original but saw the clip on The O'Reilly Factor during Bill O'Reilly's interview with Brit Hume. I had no idea prior to this that Hume is a Believer. I appreciate his boldness. The only thing I disagreed with him on during his interview with O'Reilly was that he said he wasn't proseletyzing. Maybe he has a different idea of what proseletyzing is, but I agree with Gerson in that it involves the persuasion Hume was using with Woods.
 

Aaron

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From the article:
Hume's critics hold a strange view of pluralism
He doesn't hit the nail on the head. Not squarely. The root error is the whole idea of pluralism. America is a Christian nation. Other religions can be tolerated only as far as their civil practices (e.g. marriage) do not violate the second table of the Decalogue.
 

Marcia

Active Member
From the article:He doesn't hit the nail on the head. Not squarely. The root error is the whole idea of pluralism. America is a Christian nation. Other religions can be tolerated only as far as their civil practices (e.g. marriage) do not violate the second table of the Decalogue.

Are you a theonomist? I'm asking seriously.
 

Aaron

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Are you a theonomist? I'm asking seriously.
Had to look that one up.

Don't know if I am or not.

My point is that all religions cannot be given the same freedoms, and they were never intended to be.

Pluralism is a lie of the left with the sole purpose of facilitating the transition of American society from a Christian basis to a secular one. The fall into despotism would then be virtually guaranteed.
 

FR7 Baptist

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My point is that all religions cannot be given the same freedoms, and they were never intended to be.

Pluralism is a lie of the left with the sole purpose of facilitating the transition of American society from a Christian basis to a secular one. The fall into despotism would then be virtually guaranteed.

I thought that it was based on the First Amendment regarding Congress, and that that was later incorporated against the States by the Supreme Court through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Thanks for clearing that up!
 

Aaron

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It comes as no surprise that you would merely regurgitate the vomitus that was fed to you. Judicial activism aside, pluralism is a lie. There can be only one governing philosophy.
 

FR7 Baptist

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It comes as no surprise that you would merely regurgitate the vomitus that was fed to you. Judicial activism aside, pluralism is a lie. There can be only one governing philosophy.

Then what do you think the Constitution says? Also, you're not a very good Baptist if you don't believe in separation of church and state.
 
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