Well-written: The problem with Obama & unions

[targus]

Pragmatically, in any specific trade, the unionized worker makes more than the the scab worker which is what you are all are mostly complaining about.

The people that I associate tend more to be business owners and many of them are skilled trades men - carpenters, plumbers, electrician.

I'm not impressed that any citizen can grow up to be president because at any given time only 1 out maybe 100 million legally qualified people holds that job. Saying an independent can make more money is not useful when well all know that most don't.

That is not my experience. We must associate with different types of people. Perhaps the ambitious people are not "down in the bottom of the briar patch".

Successful people are out working hard and stay with it until they do succeed.

I am aware of a few here on the Baptist Board.

Tell us that you are an independent carpenter making $75K a year and why should I not believe you?

I am a CPA by training but left the firm that I was with to start, build and then sell a successful business.

When I was an employer I paid my workers a percentage of amount that I charged to my customers instead of an hourly rate. I did not pay over time and I allowed them to work as much as they wanted.

The ones who wanted to work made far than they could have working anywhere else and far more than they could have made doing the same work in a union shop.

The ones that did not want to work eventually went away.

Why would any employer want to have an employee that doesn't want to work very hard but still expects above average pay just because he joins a gang?

Because talk is cheap and I know human nature. Most people try to put on a front that they are doing better than they are. This is one reason why people let themselves let themselves get ripped off by credit companies, the reason for the bubble that just popped. Why should this be less a characteristic of the people on this list than any other sub set of mostly white Americans?

Like I said - you wouldn't belive it anyway.

So after saying that you would believe it you end the very same post by saying that you wouldn't believe it.

Frankly it matters not a whit to me what you believe.

Since you never took a shot at it success your opinon on the subject means very little.

I have much more respect for the person that tries and fails and then tries again and again then I ever would for the guy hiding at the bottom of the briar patch.

BTW - why do you assume that I am white?

 

[billwald]

>Frankly it matters not a whit to me what you believe.

Ditto

>Since you never took a shot at it success your opinon on the subject means very little.

I'm retired, everything is paid off, and my pension pays twice what I need. I don't need to be the richest person in the graveyard.


>BTW - why do you assume that I am white?

Statistically most probable.

 

[rbell]

BTW - why do you assume that I am white?

'Cause you can't jump?

 

[rbell]

John Stossel just kicks Unionbama in the face on this subject:

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/16/what-union-leaders-really-think/

In the real world, when bubbles pop and markets contract, everyone has to take a haircut. In the world of politicians and unions, political muscle wins, regardless of economic circumstance.

And then Neal Boortz really gets after him:

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/02/union-mentality-1.html

He points out that unions of today are sleazy...but the public sector employees' unions out-sleazes them all...

Private Sector Unions
Union members know that if their demands are unreasonable they could cause the financial collapse of their employer. Managers know that if they give too much to the unions the business may not survive. Each side has a survival instinct to address.

Government Employee Unions
Union members know that no matter what sort of grand contract they negotiate, their employer, the government, will be able to pay the tab. This is because government doesn't have to make a profit to operate. Government only needs the power to seize money from the taxpayers. Likewise, government leaders know that they can give the unions almost any concession because of their ability to seize the needed funds through taxation. There's one more advantage for government employee unions: They participate in the process of choosing the very politicians they're going to negotiate for more wages and benefits.

 

[sag38]

Here's an article suggesting that the problems with Toyota are blown way out of proportion. Whose behind this public relations nightmare? Read on and find out.

http://biggovernment.com/brjohnson/2010/02/17/toyota-and-the-union-backed-government-led-witch-hunt/

Don't we all just love the modern union movement?

 

[Mexdeaf]

Here's an article suggesting that the problems with Toyota are blown way out of proportion. Whose behind this public relations nightmare? Read on and find out.

http://biggovernment.com/brjohnson/2010/02/17/toyota-and-the-union-backed-government-led-witch-hunt/

Don't we all just love the modern union movement?

After having been a GM man for my entire life, I am driving my last GM car.

 

[sag38]

Why are GM and Dodge in such trouble? Just look at any picture of a worker in one of their factories. What emblem are they wearing on their uniforms? Is it GM or Dodge? Nope, I always see the big UAW emblem as if it is the union who is giving them their pay check.

 

[Eric B]

Let's compare and contrast the work ethic commended by God, and that exemplified by unions and see how they match up:

Gospel Work Ethic/Union Work Ethic
1. . . . be content with your wages, Luke 3:14./ You're underpaid—always.

2. Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed, Titus 6:1 / Stick it to the man.

3. Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again, Titus 2:9 / Stick it to the man.

4. Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. Titus 2:10 / Stick it to the man. Take it home "one piece at a time." Sabotage the equipment. Be disruptive.

Need I go on?

All of that ignores the evil "the man" engages in, which is also condemned in scripture, but that side of scripture is never cited in these issues; only the ones used to try to keep the little people in line.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1525521&postcount=19

But then, I guess, since you even compare this to "God sent the Babylonian Exile, but Babylon was judged for it", then I guess it is your Puritan Calvinism at play, and being a prosperous owner/manager is apart of election (and I guess covenant theology too?), as they apparently actually taught! Makes sense and explains everything. Nobody deserves the protection, they deserve to be at the mercy of God's chosen capitalists who can do no wrong, even if it looks like it.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is not the unions or the companies that are evil it is the people that run them.Blaming companies and unions is just silly. Of course the less we have of God in our society the more evil it will be.