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Conspiracy Fact: Every Major Terror Plot In U.S. Was Contrived

NiteShift

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Notice how far they stay away from "the evidence"? They accuse us of not having any evidence yet how would they know this? They refuse to look at it and if they do it's only to scoff.

In other words, they have no argument aside from insults and cliches. I reckon they must really believe in keeping it simple.

You throw out shovelfuls of gravel and expect your opponents to go track down every pebble, or just accept it at face value.

Whenever bits of your evidence are looked at, they often turn out to be nothing. Example: CT's asked, "What's this? How could the FBI possibly identify the WTC hijackers within two days??" In fact they all bought tickets using their own names and it is documented here.

But that didn't even make a dent in their thinking. It would seem the CTs ignore evidence as much as anyone else, and just go with their own gut feeling that, of course the Feds (or their NWO puppeteers) are scamming us.
 

carpro

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Originally Posted by poncho
Notice how far they stay away from "the evidence"? They accuse us of not having any evidence yet how would they know this? They refuse to look at it and if they do it's only to scoff.

In other words, they have no argument aside from insults and cliches. I reckon they must really believe in keeping it simple.

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You throw out shovelfuls of gravel and expect your opponents to go track down every pebble, or just accept it at face value.

Whenever bits of your evidence are looked at, they often turn out to be nothing. Example: CT's asked, "What's this? How could the FBI possibly identify the WTC hijackers within two days??" In fact they all bought tickets using their own names and it is documented here.

But that didn't even make a dent in their thinking. It would seem the CTs ignore evidence as much as anyone else, and just go with their own gut feeling that, of course the Feds (or their NWO puppeteers) are scamming us.



3. Any evidence will do.

Any evidence that lends credence to their theories will be uncritically accepted as truth. Any evidence that opposes their theories is dismissed out of hand. The quality of evidence is not important as long as it supports the conspiracy theory.

IOW presenting evidence to the contrary is a waste of time.
The rest of us non-PCTs just have to come to terms with the fact that we are not as smart as they, are sheep with a herd mentality.
 
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Ivon Denosovich

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windcatcher said:
Trust no man and the institutions of man as being beyond the corruption inherent in the nature of man

Does this advice include the sources poncho routinely cites? Does it include you? How can we trust anyone, ever? My problem with your perspective is that your equation seems to be Potential Corruption = Probable Corruption, which is a broad set of parameters and can include everyone.

Also, I think we're talking past each other. When I asked who "these people" are, I already knew that we were talking about the powerful. But specifically, which powerful ones? Every powerful person, everywhere? I mean, Ron Paul has some power as a congressman but he's typically exempt from these kind of "outings" of the evil. Why? Why not throw him and every candidate you'd consider voting for into the fray as well?

FWIW: I supported Ron Paul's presidential bid and don't actually see him as evil. Just a hypothetical scenario.
 

windcatcher

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Does this advice include the sources poncho routinely cites? Does it include you? How can we trust anyone, ever?
What did I say? Did I exclude anyone and if not then why are you so easily confused or uncertain? If you're acquainted with my manner of posting, you will observe its more wordy than most, to be careful with words and to make meanings as precise as I can. Concerning trust.... it is relational and there are different levels. For example, you can always trust God..... but can God always trust you? You trust you mate, but not with the same exacting confidence you have in God, but more than perhaps a friend or co-worker. But, in the way I presented it as instruction, I meant it fully in the sense that God put it in his word.... trust no man.
My problem with your perspective is that your equation seems to be Potential Corruption = Probable Corruption, which is a broad set of parameters and can include everyone.
Your problem is misstated. Your 'problem' is an issue of logic and thinking. It isn't that you don't have the ability. It may be that you don't have the habit or exercise..... or it may be that in times when you were schooled or exercised your logic, someone discouraged you or taught you that it was wrong to question and to think for yourself. We all have potentials.... for good and for bad.... for truth and for deception. Concerning deception, our greatest potential is for self deception, and our greatest weakness is in examining our own heart truthfully. Many who are quick to first accuse others and judge others often shrink from discovering that they themselves are the same. Now this propensity for self deception you may multiply to include all of humanity. The potential for corruption is ever present. But, now speaking broadly of society and its institutions or groups of people, corruption occurs when motives come together with opportunity, and agendas can be planned to take advantage of predictable human behavior, by use of deception.... which is essentially hiding the real truth in a mask which looks like another.

Also, I think we're talking past each other.
Very likely. We talk the same language, English, yet words develop meaning and deeper concepts as we make frequent use...... and thinking? ......well, ......it is a process of repeated challenge and use, and as it takes time and often tuning out the noises and distractions we've so become accustomed to, is a practice not easily done in our modern ways of living.
When I asked who "these people" are, I already knew that we were talking about the powerful. But specifically, which powerful ones? Every powerful person, everywhere?
I would not make a 'hit list'. As for determining 'who' are the powerful...... why don't you study the structure of banking and money. After all, it is the love of money which is the root of all evil, and in our world today it seems to be the value by which we compare ourselves and others, the means by which some are excluded from obeying the law while enforcement is exercised on others, the means by which briberies and injustices occur, laws and kingdoms are bought, people control others, and wars are fought over and financed. Who are the faces behind the national and international finance? How are they connected to international and national agencies, foundations, institutions of research and learning, governmental officials........etc.? Books are free at the library, but few are supplied with much depth of knowledge and revelation. Or you can go online.... and find a wealth of well documented material and books to buy once you find a reliable source. The caveat to this is that you are able to recognize that even the best of sites will have their own preferred areas of focus: For example, conservative sites may use the term broadly, and censor the self criticism and transparency you seek. Liberal sites will definately do the same. Conspiracy sites may present related information and also inuendo, some excellent documentation, whistle blower and insider information, contrast in reports presented as facts and point out conflicts and inconsistencies, reveal connections of people with events which weren't presented in the MSM.... and answer some questions left unnoticed, and a smorgasboard of ties and possibilities but may not always bring you to conclusions: They will encourage you to think.... and they will appreciate your dollar spent..... some on excellent and well documented material and some on hype. The source I most trust is radiolibery.com as the owner of that site endevors to look at everything from a balanced pov and a Christian and spiritual perspective.
I mean, Ron Paul has some power as a congressman but he's typically exempt from these kind of "outings" of the evil. Why? Why not throw him and every candidate you'd consider voting for into the fray as well?

FWIW: I supported Ron Paul's presidential bid and don't actually see him as evil. Just a hypothetical scenario.
I like many things Ron Paul has to say and see his strongest quality is that he uses his knowledge and his platform of public service to care for his constituents back home, as a representative should, and also to inform the public and hold fellow members in the house of representatives and government at large accountable to the people to answer their questions. If we had more like him willing to present challenges and hold each others' feet to the fire, we might see more progress where it is needed, returning power to the states and their people... and see reduction in size of government, spending, and more fiscal responsibility. I believe he is a morally upright man who takes his oath of office more seriously than most and submits his personal ambitions to the quest to serve, more than most similarly positioned public figures.... but I don't know of his sainthood. He reveals very little of his private conscience or his faith, but he seems to have convictions concerning the rights of the unborn child. But, he presents his views on abortion, decriminalization of drugs and homosixuality in terms of the separation of powers (constitution) where it was never intended that the federal government become responsible for the moral laws or decriminalization, as this was a power to be kept close to communities and the people, to determine that which they would bind and that which they would loose. As broad as he is in this.... he is also a broad minded supporter of the people keeping and exercising their rights, as acknowledge in the first ten amendments of the constitution, which puts the government on notice of its boundaries and limitations stop, and where the people have power.

I would not establish any man as being above criticism or called to accountability, my self included (though I'm not a man). As for list of people and those with whom we should concern ourselves with most are those local and state officials which are responsible to us and most dependent on our vote and our voice.... and who may become leaders at some higher elevation if their performance is good. What we need to stop doing to encourage the best choices are made is to fair critique our leaders... stop justifying their deeds and actions because of by party or by political philosophy we are most agreed, and start denouncing the puny, frivolous, and false inuendos of others who use name calling and labels as though these have meaning as fact.
 
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Ivon Denosovich

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windcatcher said:
I would not make a 'hit list'.

See, that's my entire point. Okay, not trying to be mean here, but why post anything then? You're posts are vague enough that any given person could agree or disagree, depending on whether they've had too much coffee. It kinda reads like,

"Don't trust them... but too late! you already do trust them... and they know that you trust them... and there's nothing that can be done, but some of us still try..."

Again, not trying to pick on you (and hope I don't come across that way) but it all reads like a "Down With Them!" sign. What it lacks in clarity it compensates with zeal.
 
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Ivon Denosovich

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On second thoughts, windcatcher, I'm not sure this dialogue is going anywhere. Could be my fault, could be yours, maybe both. Who knows? In any event, I wish you well and have enjoyed our exchange. :flower:

ETA: the last word is yours. I'm not bowing out without giving you a chance to respond. I'll read your next post.
 
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poncho

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You throw out shovelfuls of gravel and expect your opponents to go track down every pebble, or just accept it at face value.

Whenever bits of your evidence are looked at, they often turn out to be nothing. Example: CT's asked, "What's this? How could the FBI possibly identify the WTC hijackers within two days??" In fact they all bought tickets using their own names and it is documented here.

But that didn't even make a dent in their thinking. It would seem the CTs ignore evidence as much as anyone else, and just go with their own gut feeling that, of course the Feds (or their NWO puppeteers) are scamming us.

Look NS, this has been going on since 9-11-2001. It's not my job to do all your research. Okay. If you want to be infomed turn on your mind if you want to be entertained and conditioned turn on the tube.

It's simple really but it takes more effort than hitting a button on a remote.

"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"

By now you should have a pretty good idea that the world's leaders are indeed working towards a "new world order" I mean they admit it in front of the cameras and in print just about every day now.

What more "proof" do you need than public confessions by the very culprits that are involved in such an un-democratic global process???

If all the public confessions aren't enough to convince you then you probably don't want to be convinced. I can come up with no other conclusion.

It's not a "gut feeling" about the Federal Reserve. It's history! Read some books on the subject. Here's a good one.

The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

The best education in the world on how governments go bad and tyrants oppress people can found coming from the mouths and pens of our founding fathers. Take their wisdom and warnings seriously!!! They didn't go to all the trouble to birth a free nation just so people could have big screen tv's and SUV's bought with easy credit and fiat currency.
 
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carpro

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Look NS, this has been going on since 9-11-2001. It's not my job to do all your research. Okay. If you want to be infomed turn on your mind if you want to be entertained and conditioned turn on the tube.

PCTs assume that their beliefs are correct and that those who don't see things the way they do have been duped or that they need to open their minds.
 

poncho

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PCTs assume that their beliefs are correct and that those who don't see things the way they do have been duped or that they need to open their minds.

You haven't seen or heard all the world's leaders calling for a new world order?????????????????????????????????????

Google Search "calls for a new world order"

Searches related to calls for a new world order

pope benedict xvi new world order

barack obama new world order

gordon brown new world order

financial crisis new world order

kissinger new world order

facebook new world order

sarkozy new world order

new world order 2009

If there is no conspiracy for a new world order then it must be some huge coincidence that all these leaders want the same thing at the same time and for all the same reasons.

But then coincidence theorists always "assume that their beliefs are correct and that those who don't see things the way they do have been duped or that they need to open their minds." Either that or they're crazy nutzos. (author of bolded quote unknown thanks to Carpro with holding information)

I don't think you've been duped by anyone my very good friend. I think you keep duping yourself. :smilewinkgrin:

BTW, isn't it against the board's rules to keep posting quotes without providing links to the source??

I mean I know you don't have to follow the rules like everyone else here Carpro but it would be a common decency to post a link. After all everyone else abides by the rules here.

You do have some common decency don't you? Or is that too much of a liberal trait for you to handle?

Two JDL leaders charged in bomb plot

December 13, 2001 Posted: 5:58 AM EST (1058 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Federal authorities Wednesday charged two leaders of the Jewish Defense League with conspiring to blow up Arab and Muslim institutions in southern California, including the offices of Arab-American congressman Rep. Darrell Issa.

Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel were taken into federal custody following late Tuesday raids by members of an antiterrorism task force, said Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for U.S. Attorney John S. Gordon.

"When you target innocents based on religious or political affiliation or belief, we consider that terrorist activity," Gordon said.

"Their primary motivation was to send a 'wake-up call' or terrorize Muslims or Arabs and alert the local, if not national, community to the JDL's commitment to attack those targets."

CNN.com

BUT WAIT! The story wouldn't be complete without an "informant" supplying the bomb making materials.

Rubin, the group's chairman and a resident of Monrovia, and Krugel were arrested after the informant delivered the final component needed to make pipe bombs -- five pounds of explosive powder -- to Krugel's house in Reseda, Iden said.

It's the same in just about every "big news" terror bust case. The (paid) informant recruits the "members", comes up with the plan and supplies the money and bomb making materials. Then presumably gets a big reward for discovering a "secret terrorist plot" against the USA.

And the rest is all big headlines and little to no follow up in the conglomerated mass dream media Inc.

Cui Bono?
 
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poncho

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Hint.

Government gets more money power and control and giant global corporations get more and bigger big juicy contracts.

Where's the insentive to win this "global war on terror" if governments and big business stand to reap so many rewards for keeping it going?
 

Ivon Denosovich

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Uuummm... poncho, ahem:

Facebook calls for a new world order?!? Ha! Hahahaha! Hahahahaha!

I keep trying to think of a pithy one liner incorporating the phrase, "unusually angry dictates of pimpled emos" but nothing comes to mind as emos ARE usually angry. There's a disproportionately greater chance of facebook resulting in "Synchronized Fart Groups, Eastern Standard Time" than of its producing meaningfully monolithic behavior.

I've never seen a social network mentioned as a global influence (authority?) in a comparable manner as the Pope and Kissinger. To that I can only add, the real web push for universal fascism is here.

The real mystery, poncho, is how it is that both of us are Ron Paul supporters. :confused: You've given me pause in my third party leanings.

ETA: Good ole G.O.P. looking better and better all the time.
 
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NiteShift

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It's not my job to do all your research.

Obviously.

Like the time that CT's were touting "International Lawyer Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd", who was calling for another investigation, and who proclaimed 9/11 a "False Flag Operation and a pretext to engage in Genocidal bombing".

Only problem: Webre is delusional, and believes that our government possesses anti-gravity and time travel technologies passed to them by extraterrestrials. CT's must have felt pretty confident that no one would even bother to check him out at all. Like Carpro says, the quality of the evidence doesn't matter.
 
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