Who bites a disabled kid?!

[Gina B]

Free at last, I'm sorry you didn't take the time to do a little research on what autism is, especially severe cases. Please consider doing so in the future.

There definitely are some out of control children out there with no excuse or with parents who failed to raise them right. I still think public caning should be used in our country with NORMAL FUNCTIONING people. However, even with the teens I work with, some are still in diapers and others have frequent enough accidents to require having at least one change of clothing on hand for them, and I can assure you they're not just being lazy.

Hopefully one day you'll understand the difference between willful wrong-doing and mentally ill behaviors.

Until then, best of luck.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I am not coming from a thraputic stand, but a self-defence one. I am of the school that the unit safety comes first, the single child second. I can imagine if a kid of any age saw another kid bite a staff member, and no discipline occurred, you would create an environment where they could not possibly feel safe.

 

[freeatlast]

Free at last, I'm sorry you didn't take the time to do a little research on what autism is, especially severe cases. Please consider doing so in the future.

There definitely are some out of control children out there with no excuse or with parents who failed to raise them right. I still think public caning should be used in our country with NORMAL FUNCTIONING people. However, even with the teens I work with, some are still in diapers and others have frequent enough accidents to require having at least one change of clothing on hand for them, and I can assure you they're not just being lazy.

Hopefully one day you'll understand the difference between willful wrong-doing and mentally ill behaviors.

Until then, best of luck.

Gina I do understand. It is you who has been deceived into believing that mental illness means the person cannot understand wrong or that discipline and correction equal to the offense is improper. Worst of all you have been deceived into believing that because someone is mentally ill they should be allowed to harm you while they are not subdued. Again I point you to God's word which I understand is not popular today. While the mentally ill may not originally understand something is wrong or why, due to liberal or no training, they can learn it is. They can also learn that their actions can bring pain on themselves and the best way to stop the pain is stop their actions. It is both irresponsible and liberal in thinking to allow them to continue in bad behavior. This whole issue comes from the liberal movement of today. No longer can we execute a person who brutally murders a person or persons if their I.Q. is considered too low. Yet the person has the ability to plan the murder. This is the stance you are taking. While not as extreme as murder it is no different in principle. The child evidently bit the teacher. The parents should be responsible, but are not because of liberal beliefs. The teacher who bit the child back did the child no physical harm or he would have been jailed on the spot. The child would have learned a lesson if the bleeding heart liberals would have remained quiet, but now most likely the child will be worst off.
Your method is why we have prisons full of people who have lives wasting away and families who are missing loved ones. And yes I am saying that anyone who holds your view is in some part guilty along with every murderer.

You said this;
"Hopefully one day you'll understand the difference between willful wrong-doing and mentally ill behaviors." The problem is that you do not understand that the mentally ill do what they do willfully and unless they lean that there is consequences for their behavior they will continue to willfully hurt others.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

In a perfect world this child's needs would be met, and everyone would be safe. But kids do get placed in places they shouldn't be, they get kept longer than they should, they get released before they should, they get the bed funded but not the meds, all due to how the funding goes. I have seen kids as young as 6, and as old as 21. I have seen three staff trying to control a kid and another kid pick up a fire extinguisher to break it up. Being the only free staff on the floor, I made sure nobody got hurt. That was what I thought my job should be. In normal circumstance you would never take on a kid alone, but that's what had to be done. You cannot always follow a set of rules working with humans. Sometimes the compassionate thing to do is show no compassion at all. I believe that.

Matt. you can take my position as "it's OK to bite kids" if you want. Gina, good for you for your work.

 

[Gina B]

Thanks Brother Curtis for your posts. I've known you were one of the good guys for years...I still remember how you felt when your daughter got too old for the kid menu at restaurants. :smilewinkgrin:

Free At Last, my dear girl, I'm rather amused at how I went from wrong to having bad parenting skills to a raving liberal agendist and now I've graduated to murderer, and all within what, fifteen hours or less? Perhaps this explains my exhaustion today.

Oh well. I'll continue my murderous habit of not biting the mentally ill and hope one day you'll see fit to join me. :flower:

 

[abcgrad94]

Biting a mentally challenged child as a form of "discipline" is abuse. We are given specifics on how to discipline in scripture (rod on the backside). It doesn't matter if you think a child's parents are bleeding heart liberals. . .biting is not the correct form of discipline.

 

[Robert Snow]

...they have a child out of control which may very well turn into a criminal...

You are talking about a severely autistic child! Do you know anything about autism?

I think I am forced to agree with Matt Wade's assessment.

 

[Robert Snow]

I'm not going to defend myself to someone with your language. Think what you will. And pound on some sand while yer thinking it.

Of course you aren't going to defend yourself. You made a stupid, undefendable statement and now you cannot defend it.

I guess in Montana they let people get away with child abuse, I don't know; but if you came to Texas an bit a child you would be put in jail.

 

[matt wade]

I'm not going to defend myself to someone with your language. Think what you will. And pound on some sand while yer thinking it.

Poor little Bro. Curtis. This is the guy who thinks it is perfectly acceptable for a the drill sergeant to curse, yell, cuss, and demean people but he can't take being called an idiot? You don't have to defend yourself buddy, your words already put you beyond any possible defense.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You rock, Gina.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Matt & Robert, two honest questions.

First, what is your experience working with special needs children in a residential, or educational setting ?

Second, where did I say it was OK to bite any kid ?


My stance is it is not OK to bite kids.

It is also my stance that it is not OK for kids to bite adults.

It is more of my stance that it is OK for an adult to not accept being bitten by a kid.

It is further on along my stance that it is OK for adults to not accept their children being bitten by other adults.

And a final stop along my stance is anyone who would ascertain I said any of this is alright is either too biased, or too ignorant to engage any further. If Robert Snow calls you a name on this board, chances are you are on the right side of things. I am disappointed in Matt, but he probably feels a little guilty about his choice not to serve, or he wouldn't bring up my choice. Talk about an off topic-slam.

 

[Robert Snow]

Matt & Robert, two honest questions.

First, what is your experience working with special needs children in a residential, or educational setting ?

Second, where did I say it was OK to bite any kid ?


My stance is it is not OK to bite kids.

It is also my stance that it is not OK for kids to bite adults.

It is more of my stance that it is OK for an adult to not accept being bitten by a kid.

It is further on along my stance that it is OK for adults to not accept their children being bitten by other adults.

And a final stop along my stance is anyone who would ascertain I said any of this is alright is either too biased, or too ignorant to engage any further. If Robert Snow calls you a name on this board, chances are you are on the right side of things. I am disappointed in Matt, but he probably feels a little guilty about his choice not to serve, or he wouldn't bring up my choice. Talk about an off topic-slam.

Let me see. You come here and freely admit to bitting a kid, and even add that it was a hard bite. Then you play the, I'm being slammed for being on the right side card, when you are called for it?

Come on Curtis, you were called for admitting to doing a stupid thing! Accept it and move on.

 

[rbell]

One post, and I'm done:

When I started thinking about a comment here, one thing came to mind:

"Just say gnaw."

 

[targus]

Let me see. You come here and freely admit to bitting a kid, and even add that it was a hard bite.

Ahem...

Uh, Robert...

Uh, actually Bro Curtis said...

Well, he sort of said...

Actually, he straight out said..

And I know it will be embarassing for you...

But he said that he never bit a kid.

Come on Curtis, you were called for admitting to doing a stupid thing! Accept it and move on.

Now it is time for Robert to admit that he did a stupid thing.

But instead of simply moving on I would suggest that you read with more care.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Let me see. You come here and freely admit to bitting a kid, and even add that it was a hard bite. Then you play the, I'm being slammed for being on the right side card, when you are called for it?

This makes you either stupid, or a liar.

Come on Curtis, you were called for admitting to doing a stupid thing! Accept it and move on.

The only stupid thing I did was assume people could read, and were here for honest debate.

 

[Gina B]

This is aimed at nobody in particular, it just right for the moment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm9NHY4T1G8&feature=fvw

 

[matt wade]

Matt & Robert, two honest questions.

First, what is your experience working with special needs children in a residential, or educational setting ?

I have worked with special needs children, including severely autistic children.

Second, where did I say it was OK to bite any kid ?

You said:

I would bite a kid to get his jaws off me.

Yup.

Hard.

In your defense, I think you were trying to make a point about juvenile delinquents...not 6 year old autistic children.

My response was one questions whether you applied the same to 6 year old autistic children. Personally, there isn't a situation where a 6 year old autistic children can have me so pinned down that my only resort is to bite him. Maybe you would have more a struggle with a 6 year old boy than I would?

I am disappointed in Matt, but he probably feels a little guilty about his choice not to serve, or he wouldn't bring up my choice. Talk about an off topic-slam.

I don't feel guilty about not serving. I didn't bash your choice to serve. In fact, I'd quite respectful of your choice and thank you for it. My point was that you have no issue with a drill sergeant calling you names, yet I say the word "idiot" and you freak out.

Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers Curtis and I'm sure you didn't mean to say that you would bite a 6 year old autistic boy. Let's go back to being nicey nice, ok?

 

[Gwyneth]

I am not coming from a thraputic stand, but a self-defence one. I am of the school that the unit safety comes first, the single child second. I can imagine if a kid of any age saw another kid bite a staff member, and no discipline occurred, you would create an environment where they could not possibly feel safe.

My 13 year old grandson is on the autistic spectrum, and his mother was told he would never walk or talk due to the severity of his neurological illness (not a mental disability ). He is now a `walking talking` mine of information, polite and well behaved. This is mainly because tough love/ appropriate punishment that he could understand i.e. if you bite , this is what it feels like, was applied, and we are very proud of the young man now. He could not understand any thing until he was about 9 years old, and was still in nappies then. He is still, and always will be, as far as we know, autistic, but with Gods help he should now be
able to look after himself in the world, with a little supervision. PRAISE THE LORD.
This child was not aware of what it felt like to be bitten/kicked etc. as he had /has no emotional interaction, and no social skills, he still has neither of these, but knows right from wrong because of responsible parenting. He has turned out to be a credit to his family, but things could have been disastrous had the problems not been addressed early in his life. For a young man with the many problems he has faced , and will have to face he is now a happy and intelligent AUTISTIC person.
Well said brother.you would create an environment where they could not possibly feel safe

 

[jaigner]

Gina I do understand. It is you who has been deceived into believing that mental illness means the person cannot understand wrong or that discipline and correction equal to the offense is improper.

Okay, I don't usually say these kinds of things, but you are getting way out of hand, so here goes.

Everything you know about the Bible and theology would fit into a thimble.

There I said it.

Additionally, you need to be locked up in a room full of autistic children until you realize that when they do things like biting, it is because the autistic part of their brain is telling them to. They have very little control. The normal part of their brain can understand right and wrong, but they won't be able to execute it because of their autism.

This is from a teacher who works with these children everyday. They can be a real delight, but you better know how to restrain them.

 

[Gwyneth]

PS. Autism is NOT mental illness, it is a neuroligcal disorder, and we all had many tears shed over the harsh and seemingly unkind way this dear soul had to be handled, but what a joy to see him now. His older sister was terrified of him when he would kick and bite her in his frustration, but now to see them together is a blessing and he is so protective of his two little brothers. So it would seem that he has learned to love (in his own way ).