As he came to serve you and me.
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Jesus Washing Osama's Feet
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As he came to serve you and me.
Tim, Jesus didn't wash the disciple's feet in order to save them (clean them up as you said). They were already clean. They belonged to Him. (Had fellowship with Him)
I'm sure that Jesus would be happy to wash the feet of world leaders after they repented of their sins and received Him as Lord.
No. Right now, Christ is Osama's judge, not his savior. He is not washing Osama's feet.
ReformedBaptist
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Ok, so I assumed the intent. The artwork doesn't offend me. I am astonished to some degree why this can't be discussed in all civility.
Don't know where you are getting your info, Aaron, but you are definitely wrong on this one..
From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
He DIED BEFORE we repented.. .
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
If Christ was willing to die before we were sinners.. he would wash a sinner's foot..
Even the worst Sinners.. Like Me and Osama.
That's not a comment on Christ washing His disciple's feet.
The real question that this thread has brought forth is this...
Are we, as Christians, the Body of Christ in today's world, held responsible for serving the lost?
Or are we only to minister to the saved?
IF someone needed their feet washed, would you ask them if they were saved before you did it?
Would Jesus ignore the lost if they needed their feet washed?
Are we called to serve the lost, or not?
From my viewpoint, I say we are.
Are we, as Christians, the Body of Christ in today's world, held responsible for serving the lost?
Or are we only to minister to the saved?
IF someone needed their feet washed, would you ask them if they were saved before you did it?
Would Jesus ignore the lost if they needed their feet washed?
Are we called to serve the lost, or not?
From my viewpoint, I say we are.
No, it's not.. I was showing you that it was good manners to do so.
Manners was not the point in Christ washing the feet of His disciples. Try to stay on the same page.
No that's not the real question. That's subterfuge to cloud the real issue, which is whether the message of the painting is legitimate.
Right.. to get the answer to this:
Is the message of the painting is legitimate?
We first have to answer the question, did Jesus come to serve the Lost?
If not, then the painting is blasphemous
If so, then the painting's message is legit.
I believe he did.. and he did it by giving his life as a sacrifice. You apparently disagree..
I'm hangin' with Aaron on this one with a question to all who have posted and will post and read
Have we looked yet at the context of the Scripture that pertains to Jesus and the washing of the disciples feet?? It may shed light on the OP and the discussion of whether Jesus would wash Osama's feet
I noticed something as I read through John 13:1-20
First---the setting happens to be at Feast of Passover---A Jewish feast---Highly doubtful that the likes of Osama would be present---since he is a despiser of Jews and Isrealites-----The context has the washing as "Jew among Jew"---a Jewish custom
Second---notice when Jesus readys Himself to wash Peter's feet---at first there is resistance on Peter's part----notice in particular verse 8
"Peter saith unto Him, Thou shalt never wash my feet."
Now-----notice Jesus' reply to Peter
"If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with Me."
Jesus is inviting Peter in on something---He is inviting His followers to be a part of His service---of His ministry.
Jesus' kingdom is a kingdom of service----He invites His followers to serve as He serves and like He serves
The washing of disciples feet is an invitation to service
Sorry, Guys!! I see nowhere where Osama is ready for service for the Master!!!!
Neither was Judas, Blackbird, neither was Judas..
I hear what you all are saying, and if we are only talking about feetwashing as a religious service, then I would understand, and possibly agree
But I am talking about the feetwashing as it was commonly done in the time of Jesus, before he did it at the last supper. It was a common thing the people of the time did as a courtesy to their guests. It was an act of service.
In this regard, it is similar to when our missionaries went to bolivia, and gave the babies baths.. it was an act of service to show God's love to others.
IN this way, Jesus served many, many lost... Look at John 6:66 From that point on, people that were following Jesus only because he served them, (food, healings, etc) turned from Jesus. Were they not lost? Yet Jesus served them.
I'll admit, as an American, the pic bothers me.... but if I put my self in Osama's place in that pic, i see the meaning. Because I am as unworthy as Osama is for God's mercy.
I hear what you all are saying, and if we are only talking about feetwashing as a religious service, then I would understand, and possibly agree
But I am talking about the feetwashing as it was commonly done in the time of Jesus, before he did it at the last supper. It was a common thing the people of the time did as a courtesy to their guests. It was an act of service.
In this regard, it is similar to when our missionaries went to bolivia, and gave the babies baths.. it was an act of service to show God's love to others.
IN this way, Jesus served many, many lost... Look at John 6:66 From that point on, people that were following Jesus only because he served them, (food, healings, etc) turned from Jesus. Were they not lost? Yet Jesus served them.
I'll admit, as an American, the pic bothers me.... but if I put my self in Osama's place in that pic, i see the meaning. Because I am as unworthy as Osama is for God's mercy.
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Reformed Baptist...
I fear that the reason could be that some folks on here have a heart filled with so much hate for Osama, that it eclipses their love for Jesus Christ many times over.
When in fact it should be the opposite. Our love for Christ should eclipse our hate for Osama, even to the point where pity him, and desire his salvation.
Rather than murdering him, while withholding the gospel from him just to make sure he burns, we should take into consideration Paul the apostle, who hunted down and murdered Christians. Talk about a "terrorist". Talk about "evil"
I'm sure glad no yahoo came "packin'" and "took him out" before he was used of God to write all those foundational Epistles.
I fear that the reason could be that some folks on here have a heart filled with so much hate for Osama, that it eclipses their love for Jesus Christ many times over.
When in fact it should be the opposite. Our love for Christ should eclipse our hate for Osama, even to the point where pity him, and desire his salvation.
Rather than murdering him, while withholding the gospel from him just to make sure he burns, we should take into consideration Paul the apostle, who hunted down and murdered Christians. Talk about a "terrorist". Talk about "evil"
I'm sure glad no yahoo came "packin'" and "took him out" before he was used of God to write all those foundational Epistles.
Where does scripture say that Jesus came to "serve" the lost? He came to seek and save the lost. He is the judge of the lost, but a servant to the lost? Where is that?
If Osama were Jesus' neighbor then---and if there were no "Wanted Dead or Alive" warrents for his capture----and if---say, Jesus invited Osama over for a BBQ---as a neighbor and as a Jew and if Osama were a fellow Jew---then when Osama would happen upon Jesus's house for the BBQ---then yes---as a Jewish custom---neighbor to neighbor---Jesus would wash his feet as a welcomeing host
But in the context of John 13----sorry, friend---I don't see Jesus washing Osama's feet as a symbol of servanthood---Osama doesn't fit the context of John 13 #1 because he is Muslim and not Jew and #2---he is not a servant/disciple of the Lord Jesus
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All through the Gospels...
How many did he feed? for instance, were all of them saved?.. (John 6:66)
There's a difference between God's grace toward all mankind and having a personal relationship with the Savior. Jesus washed the feet of those who had faith in Him, not those who only wanted His miracles.
Did you find that scripture that says Jesus is a servant to the lost?
Mat 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
The object of the word "Serve" here is the same object of the phrase "to give his life as a ransom for"..
the object is Many...
That "many" is defined in John 3:16-17
(16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
(17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The "many" in Matt 20:28 would include both saved and lost.. He came to serve "Many"
Some may reject his servanthood, but he is there to be a servant to the world, if they will accept him...
NOW, back to the pic in the OP... wouldn't it be great if Osama would accept Jesus?
The object of the word "Serve" here is the same object of the phrase "to give his life as a ransom for"..
the object is Many...
That "many" is defined in John 3:16-17
(16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
(17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The "many" in Matt 20:28 would include both saved and lost.. He came to serve "Many"
Some may reject his servanthood, but he is there to be a servant to the world, if they will accept him...
NOW, back to the pic in the OP... wouldn't it be great if Osama would accept Jesus?
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