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Did Dinosaurs co exist with Man?
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quantumfaith
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My vote, absolutely not.
Since they existed as far into History as Job then I would say yes.
Job 40 and 41 describe them.
quantumfaith
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Obviously you are YE, I am not.
Certainly the Bible speaks of some big sea life co-existing with Man. If we view the creation week as 6 24 hour days about 6000 years ago, then everything created would appear to have been living when the sixth day rolled around. The only way I see to avoid the co-existence conclusion is to abandon the six 24 hour day view.
The book of Job teaches us that we were not there at the beginning of the creation week and we do not know "how" God created everything that was created, only that He did.
Therefore my conclusion is the Bible does not say how old the earth is, and therefore I do not know it is 6000 years old. I can sure see the basis of that speculation, but in my opinion, the data does not support any conclusion, other than unknown.
The book of Job teaches us that we were not there at the beginning of the creation week and we do not know "how" God created everything that was created, only that He did.
Therefore my conclusion is the Bible does not say how old the earth is, and therefore I do not know it is 6000 years old. I can sure see the basis of that speculation, but in my opinion, the data does not support any conclusion, other than unknown.
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mcdirector
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Agreed . . .
quantumfaith
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Come on Dave.....dont burst my bubble! How do you explain Fred Flintstones pet Dino?
Smarty pants professor of Mathematics & Physics ....Right!:smilewinkgrin:
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Bob Alkire
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I would say yes.
The creation record in Genesis would lead me to say yes and as was pointed out in Job.
Here is one out side of the Bible.
Dr. Javier Cabrera discovered depictions of dinosaurs in a cave in Peru. Providing in the eyes of many that man and dinosaur coexistence together. Dr. Javier Cabrera is primarily responsible for these amazing finds, stumbling across them while searching for ancient Nasca artwork in tombs near his father's old home. Dr. Cabrera indeed found much art: the typical and expected stone carvings of humans, their accomplishments, and their interactions with each other.
The creation record in Genesis would lead me to say yes and as was pointed out in Job.
Here is one out side of the Bible.
Dr. Javier Cabrera discovered depictions of dinosaurs in a cave in Peru. Providing in the eyes of many that man and dinosaur coexistence together. Dr. Javier Cabrera is primarily responsible for these amazing finds, stumbling across them while searching for ancient Nasca artwork in tombs near his father's old home. Dr. Cabrera indeed found much art: the typical and expected stone carvings of humans, their accomplishments, and their interactions with each other.
quantumfaith
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That's interesting? :laugh: I got to about minute 3
Didn't Marco Polo record some 'weird animals" in orient on his travels? Greeks recorded strange "flying reptiles", and there is proof that some kind of Wholly mammouth survived in northern climates until around 4000 years ago?
Still have to expalin just WHy so many Dragon tales found around the World in many different cultures!
A Rose by another name
The view of 6 24 hour days as being the same as the days since the creation week must be abandoned to avoid the co-existence conclusion. To say the 24 hour days were 24 hours from God's perspective from the beginning, but was 15.75 billion years from our perspective (anyone living in the last 6000 years) still has problems.
If the human soul was created and used to animate primates that physically existed before 6000 years ago, then they would not be any more adept at tool usage as the primates of today. But we have cave paintings supposedly painted 10 to 15 thousand years ago.
I am sticking with Job 38.
The view of 6 24 hour days as being the same as the days since the creation week must be abandoned to avoid the co-existence conclusion. To say the 24 hour days were 24 hours from God's perspective from the beginning, but was 15.75 billion years from our perspective (anyone living in the last 6000 years) still has problems.
If the human soul was created and used to animate primates that physically existed before 6000 years ago, then they would not be any more adept at tool usage as the primates of today. But we have cave paintings supposedly painted 10 to 15 thousand years ago.
I am sticking with Job 38.
I believe they did exist at the same time, but that the larger dinosaurs died out at the flood. Some of what we see today could be the smaller ones that were taken into ark. I see no reason why any water creatures couldn't have survived the flood since they lived in the water--unless the upheaval of the flood was so severe that it would even kill them.
I read once about human footprints that were found inside dinosaur footprints, which meant that they had to co-exist. The dinosaur footprints had to be fresh in order for the human footprints to be added.
I read once about human footprints that were found inside dinosaur footprints, which meant that they had to co-exist. The dinosaur footprints had to be fresh in order for the human footprints to be added.
glfredrick
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I believe they co-existed and that has nothing at all to do with some interpretation of Scripture that suggests that the earth is but 6000 years old.
In my travels, I have looked for and found multiple examples of geology that can only be explained by flood geology, and with those evidences, I have witnessed dinosaur tracks on a rock plain that are neither worn down from erosion nor unrecognizable. They were within 500 yards of native American drawings on exposed rock faces...
Some people believe that this series of tracks also has human footprints in conjunction with the tracks. To me, the evidence was inconclusive, but it left me with a "plausible" as to whether they were or not. After all, humans would not weight as much as huge dinosaurs, so their foot prints would be very close to the surface and not so deeply set as the ones in the picture above.
Other evidence I found in the same region were these "pock marks" in solid rock under an arch that geologists say took "millions of years" to carve out via wind and water. The edges of the pock marks are still crisp... As if they were just formed. Yet, all the surrounding rock was polished almost smooth. Very few sharp edges anywhere. An anomaly that points to a radically different timetable than standard geology would allow.
Another thing I saw in the same area was the valley featured below. Check out the wall of the valley at the rear center of the picture. It appears almost circular in nature -- and it is! Standing next to that wall, one can run their hand across the wall and feel the direction of the water flow that carved it out. One can also find "canon balls" (rocks that are rounded off) by the force of water spinning them around and around to make the huge pocket in the rock face.
All that can be found in certain places in the geological record. I've seen similar at Devil's Lake State Park in Wisconsin, where the force of Glacial Lake Wisconsin breaking through a glacier-left levee carved out the rock face. The incident in Wisconsin happened within the last 8000 years. I expect that so did the Moab carvings...
The problem with the Moab water-carved features is that there is no water within 3500 feet of elevation near that site, nor is there enough to cause that massive a carving (the bowl in the rock is hundreds of feet in diameter)!
That leaves some "flood geology" to contend with.
In any case, there is plenty of evidence that one can find that points to a YE perspective -- one that may not encompass a 6000-year scenario, but younger than "millions and millions of years" to be sure. The 6000-year issue is not a biblical surety in any case. We simply are not given a date, save that God did it within the realm of human history, and virtually every culture on earth recognizes some form of creation epic that also features a huge flood.
In my travels, I have looked for and found multiple examples of geology that can only be explained by flood geology, and with those evidences, I have witnessed dinosaur tracks on a rock plain that are neither worn down from erosion nor unrecognizable. They were within 500 yards of native American drawings on exposed rock faces...
Some people believe that this series of tracks also has human footprints in conjunction with the tracks. To me, the evidence was inconclusive, but it left me with a "plausible" as to whether they were or not. After all, humans would not weight as much as huge dinosaurs, so their foot prints would be very close to the surface and not so deeply set as the ones in the picture above.
Other evidence I found in the same region were these "pock marks" in solid rock under an arch that geologists say took "millions of years" to carve out via wind and water. The edges of the pock marks are still crisp... As if they were just formed. Yet, all the surrounding rock was polished almost smooth. Very few sharp edges anywhere. An anomaly that points to a radically different timetable than standard geology would allow.
Another thing I saw in the same area was the valley featured below. Check out the wall of the valley at the rear center of the picture. It appears almost circular in nature -- and it is! Standing next to that wall, one can run their hand across the wall and feel the direction of the water flow that carved it out. One can also find "canon balls" (rocks that are rounded off) by the force of water spinning them around and around to make the huge pocket in the rock face.
All that can be found in certain places in the geological record. I've seen similar at Devil's Lake State Park in Wisconsin, where the force of Glacial Lake Wisconsin breaking through a glacier-left levee carved out the rock face. The incident in Wisconsin happened within the last 8000 years. I expect that so did the Moab carvings...
The problem with the Moab water-carved features is that there is no water within 3500 feet of elevation near that site, nor is there enough to cause that massive a carving (the bowl in the rock is hundreds of feet in diameter)!
That leaves some "flood geology" to contend with.
In any case, there is plenty of evidence that one can find that points to a YE perspective -- one that may not encompass a 6000-year scenario, but younger than "millions and millions of years" to be sure. The 6000-year issue is not a biblical surety in any case. We simply are not given a date, save that God did it within the realm of human history, and virtually every culture on earth recognizes some form of creation epic that also features a huge flood.
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