Did Dinosaurs co exist with Man?

[quantumfaith]

...and very dishonest of you to re-post it.

Also, the board forbids calling someone an unbeliever...since when did the rules get changed to disallow doctrinal positions that exclude certain beliefs? If someone calls themselves a Baptist, but has Jehovah's Witness doctrine, am I then required to refrain from asserting the necessity of Christ's deity?

I reposted, because I felt strongly that you were indeed, in a "left handed" way attempting to assert that I am not in the ranks of believers. Second, I did not see your amendment to WD's post before.

 

[quantumfaith]

You'd have to include all animals and humans together and we still haven't used it all up. We've been using fossil fules for over a couple centuries. first it was coal and for the last 100 years or so, it's been more oil than anything else.
LOL Here I am a man who isn't able to understand infinity and I'm trying to figure out how much oil we've already burned.
MB

Currently in the US, we use approximately 15 million barrels per day. Approximately 825 million gallons of oil per day.

 

[Havensdad]

My understanding on this is that the doctrines being addressed MUST be cardinal truths, that there is no dispute over...

far as I know, evolution, especially Theistic, does not rise to heresy in beliefs, not Biblical per say, not heretical!

Although I do know most seminaries, such as Liberty, for instance, assert that Old Earth Theories are within orthodoxy, most of them assert Theistic Evolution to be heresy. I was required to sign a list of denials, when I entered Seminary, that included denial of theistic evolution on the same list as the affirmation of Christ's deity.

Theistic Evolution is considered heretical by most Baptist Seminaries.

 

[JesusFan]

Although I do know most seminaries, such as Liberty, for instance, assert that Old Earth Theories are within orthodoxy, most of them assert Theistic Evolution to be heresy. I was required to sign a list of denials, when I entered Seminary, that included denial of theistic evolution on the same list as the affirmation of Christ's deity.

Theistic Evolution is considered heretical by most Baptist Seminaries.

Does ANY here know if the BB even has an "official" position on this topic?

Also, isn't beliefs that Bible NOT infallible, Full pretierism, deniel of Second Coming ALL heritical, yet posters who teach this still allowed to post here on BB?

NOT saying they shouldn't be able to, but is there an "official" listing of what would be considered heretical on the BB?

 

[quantumfaith]

Although I do know most seminaries, such as Liberty, for instance, assert that Old Earth Theories are within orthodoxy, most of them assert Theistic Evolution to be heresy. I was required to sign a list of denials, when I entered Seminary, that included denial of theistic evolution on the same list as the affirmation of Christ's deity.

Theistic Evolution is considered heretical by most Baptist Seminaries.

William Dembski, mathematician, has held positions at both Southern Seminary in Louisville, and Southwestern Seminary in Dallas. He is a well know ID proponent and not a YE.

 

[Havensdad]

Does ANY here know if the BB even has an "official" position on this topic?

Also, isn't beliefs that Bible NOT infallible, Full pretierism, deniel of Second Coming ALL heritical, yet posters who teach this still allowed to post here on BB?

NOT saying they shouldn't be able to, but is there an "official" listing of what would be considered heretical on the BB?

Correct. There is not even any specific rule against calling someone an unbeliever, just a rule against "personal attacks" which some moderators have taken to mean calling someone an unbeliever.

However, asserting a doctrinal position is not a personal attack. I am allowed to BELIEVE something, and even to EXPRESS that belief. If I say "I believe that people who do not believe the scriptures are the Word of God, are not true believers," that is not attacking anyone. That is simply informing others of my doctrinal position.

It is silly that some want to make certain beliefs that they do not like, against the rules.

 

[Havensdad]

William Dembski, mathematician, has held positions at both Southern Seminary in Louisville, and Southwestern Seminary in Dallas. He is a well know ID proponent and not a YE.

First, Dembski was let go from Southern, and replaced with Kurt Wise, a YEC.

Second, Dembski does not believe in Evolution in terms of the theory of common descent. He is not a theistic evolutionist, though he is an old earther.

 

[webdog]

No, a false teacher is not an unbeliever. A false teacher is someone who is teaching something opposed to clear Christian doctrine, as found in the Word of God, be they believer or no.

How dishonest of you to put words in my mouth.

What words did I put in your mouth? You said false teacher. How does Scripture define it? Show me where it is ever used in reference to believers, and to make matters worse your comparison to Jesus and Paul "proof texts" only refute you.

 

[webdog]

Correct. There is not even any specific rule against calling someone an unbeliever, just a rule against "personal attacks" which some moderators have taken to mean calling someone an unbeliever.

However, asserting a doctrinal position is not a personal attack. I am allowed to BELIEVE something, and even to EXPRESS that belief. If I say "I believe that people who do not believe the scriptures are the Word of God, are not true believers," that is not attacking anyone. That is simply informing others of my doctrinal position.

It is silly that some want to make certain beliefs that they do not like, against the rules.

PM a moderator...questioning the salvation of others IS a violation.

 

[Havensdad]

PM a moderator...questioning the salvation of others IS a violation.

I did not say anything about questioning the salvation of a person. I am talking about expressing a doctrinal position.

Tell you what; see if you can get me kicked off with this:

"I believe that anyone who denies the deity of Christ, is going to spend an eternity in Hell, and is an unbeliever."

Go ahead. I am waiting.

 

[quantumfaith]

First, Dembski was let go from Southern, and replaced with Kurt Wise, a YEC.

Second, Dembski does not believe in Evolution in terms of the theory of common descent. He is not a theistic evolutionist, though he is an old earther.

Did not know he was "let go" from Souther, but that does not surprse me. He is indeed OE, and ID.

 

[Havensdad]

What words did I put in your mouth? You said false teacher. How does Scripture define it? Show me where it is ever used in reference to believers, and to make matters worse your comparison to Jesus and Paul "proof texts" only refute you.

I am expressing a doctrinal position regarding false teachers. You are trying to portray it as if I attacked someone when I didn't. You are being dishonest.

 

[Havensdad]

Did not know he was "let go" from Souther, but that does not surprse me. He is indeed OE, and ID.

But he specifically denies theistic evolution.

 

[Havensdad]

PM a moderator...questioning the salvation of others IS a violation.

BTW,

You need to report all the moderators, and the administrative council of the BB!

"The BaptistBoard.com's Administrative Council has determined that the doctrine referred to as "Millennial Exclusion" falls outside the bounds of traditional orthodox Christain teaching. Therefore, the Administrative Council has deemed this false teaching to be "damnable heresies"

 

[quantumfaith]

But he specifically denies theistic evolution.

If you will look back I declared my position as theistic evolution/Intelligent Design. Perhaps we are arguing over the wrong thing. But for the record, I have no difficulty with evolution so long as God is the designer, implementer, manager, director.......of such.

 

[webdog]

I am expressing a doctrinal position regarding false teachers. You are trying to portray it as if I attacked someone when I didn't. You are being dishonest.

You equated your harsh rebuke on par with Jesus and Paul doing the same with UNBELIEVERS, I wasn't dishonest at all, that is a false accusation and you know it. YOU stated a false teacher is not an unbeliever...prove it from Scripture.

 

[webdog]

BTW,

You need to report all the moderators, and the administrative council of the BB!

I don't have to do anything...if you don't like the rules here you are not being held against your will.

There is a difference in a doctrine being deemed a heresy and someone being labeled a false teacher.

 

[Havensdad]

You equated your harsh rebuke on par with Jesus and Paul doing the same with UNBELIEVERS, I wasn't dishonest at all, that is a false accusation and you know it.

First, my rebuke was not harsh. I did not call anyone names "Snake" "idiot" etc. I stated my position, which included the fact that he is denying God's Word. That is my position. I am allowed to state it.

Second, I equated my directness, with Jesus' and Paul's rebuke of professed believers. Whether or not some of them were really believers (as Peter clearly was), is inconsequential. Judgment, and rebuke, is for believers. We are not to judge or rebuke unbelievers for their sin (see 1 Corinthians 5).

YOU stated a false teacher is not an unbeliever...prove it from Scripture.

No, YOU are stating that a false teacher is ALWAYS an unbeliever. My position is that scripture does not say either way; false teachers can be believers, or unbelievers.

So YOU prove it from scripture.

 

[quantumfaith]

First, Dembski was let go from Southern, and replaced with Kurt Wise, a YEC.

Second, Dembski does not believe in Evolution in terms of the theory of common descent. He is not a theistic evolutionist, though he is an old earther.

Intelligent design, by contrast, teaches that biological complexity is not exclusively the result of material mechanisms but also requires intelligence, where the intelligence in question is not reducible to such mechanisms. The central issue, therefore, is not the relatedness of all organisms, or what typically is called common descent. Indeed, intelligent design is perfectly compatible with common descent. Rather, the central issue is how biological complexity emerged and whether intelligence played a pivotal role in its emergence.

William Dembski

 

[Havensdad]

I don't have to do anything...if you don't like the rules here you are not being held against your will.

There is a difference in a doctrine being deemed a heresy and someone being labeled a false teacher.

Right. Saying someone is a false teacher is not as bad. Saying something is "damnable heresy" is calling someone an unbeliever, whereas saying that a certain doctrinal position is false teaching, is just saying it is contrary to Christian doctrine.

I don't need to go anywhere. I am well within the rules. You are the one who wants to invent new rules, and assert a "politically correct" zone over the Baptist Board.