I was responding to gotochurch.
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Missouri Baptists Announce Diversity Grant Program
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I was responding to gotochurch.
I believe the Bible supports gift-based, not gender-based ministry. There is no reason not to interview the best candidates, men and women.
You are right to categorize this as a fundamentalist attitude. Even if one is not a fundamentalist, demonizing those who would open the pulpit up to whomever God calls is a fundamentalist attitude.
Don't agree with it? That's understandable, but don't pretend for a minute that any of us aren't listening to the Bible. That's nothing but self-righteous, exclusive crap.
This is completely ridiculous. Most evangelical egalitarians are members of a gathering that could not be termed a "social" club. It's an uninformed argument to present.
Try checking out the Christians for Biblical Equality website. It's a wonderful evangelical group of which I am a card-carrying member.
Crack me up! We aren't fundamentalists (I imagine lots of foot stomping and pulpit pounding). If you don't agree with our interpretation of scripture you're wrong, probably not a true Christian and need to go to church.
Nope, no fundamentalists here!
This is what cracks me up and needs to be addressed as it is just plain ignorant.
First, the issue is what the Bible says. Saying that we are upset by who a church calls is less than honest. If God clearly calls for men to be Elders, then we should be discouraged that churches disobey God's command, just as we should be. You seem to justify stereotyping our view, thus you seem to be no better than fundamentalists.
Secondly, for those who just stereotype those in opposition as fundamentalists shows radical ignorance of church history, modern theology, and tremendous nuances. Yet, I believe this ignorance is on purpose by some of the leaders in the CBF and other liberal organizations. Some of their followers on this list, spout ignorantly a lie. This is a form of a ad hominem attack and resembles one of the reasons I reject fundamentalism... and why I think liberals are worse. They refuse to engage in solid exegetical reasoning, give into modernism, and still stereotype those who disagree with them by trying to paint them in a corner with their irrational labeling with legalistic criteria for acceptability that is built as much on moralism as the fundy's.
Finally, the issue is the Bible and what the Bible says. When my wife was younger, her Pastor tried to get her to become a Pastor. Through study of God's Word, my wife became convinced that women were not supposed to be a Pastor. She was flattered and seriously considered going into the Pastorate. However, she rejected the idea not because she was a fundamentalist, but because of her study of God's Word.
Indeed it does.
Witness this exchange between noted Baptist pastors John Roach Straton and J. W. Gillion at a nationwide Baptist gathering:
Associated Press, New York, March 11, 1927
Minister Says Church Stone Blind in Regard To Women Preachers
Notice it was the great Northern Fundamentalist John Roach Straton favoring women preachers.
Who was the Southerner naysayer? None other than J. W. Gillom, one-time pastor of Forth Worth's Broadway Baptist Church [yes, THAT Broadway Baptist Church!].
Fascinating!
If you disagree that's fine, but why have an ugly attitude and attack those you disagree with?
My attitude is just fine. I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not the one being told to go to "better" church and having my belief in scripture questioned.
It is interesting that you consider calling out actions that are fundamentalist in nature as having a bad attitude and being ugly.
My attitude is just fine. I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not the one being told to go to "better" church and having my belief in scripture questioned.
It is interesting that you consider calling out actions that are fundamentalist in nature as having a bad attitude and being ugly.
You aren't attacking anyone? May I remind you of the post of yours that I responded to?
Fundamentalism alive and kicking, dividing, demonizing and destroying!
That's not attacking? You throw "fundamentalist" around like it is some type of demonic activity. I and other fundamentalist take it as an attack when you say "kicking, dividing, demonizing and destroying". Yes, it is having an attitude and it is ugly.
So, yes I responded in kind with an attitude and ugly words. Your a scripture distorting liberal. Deal with it.
Liberal like Jesus and loving every minute of it! Praise God the bondage of fundamentalism no longer holds me in its grips.
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1
The Holy Bible, Today’s New International Version
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1
The Holy Bible, Today’s New International Version
Liberal like Jesus and loving every minute of it! Praise God the bondage of fundamentalism no longer holds me in its grips.
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1
The Holy Bible, Today’s New International Version
I would agree that Jesus was liberal but only in the context of his culture. Equating Jesus to modern liberalism is placing onto Jesus a socio-economic-political ideology that Jesus never endorsed, strongly opposed, and/or is theologically inconsistent.
You say things like "just follow what the scripture says and not massage or bend the scripture to make it like the world", yet advocate that churches do exactly that. Women as pastors happens when a church bends scripture to make it like the world.
Instances like this are one of the very few occasions that I wish Baptists were a denomination. I'd like to strip these "Missouri Baptists" of the name Baptist.
Did you even read what I said? Try again it might take this time.
Did you even read what I said? Try again it might take this time.
You might try reading further in the thread where I admitted that I had likely misread and apologized for jumping to conclusions.
You might try reading further in the thread where I admitted that I had likely misread and apologized for jumping to conclusions.
This just proves you are not the only one who occasionally errs. My apologies.:wavey: