Obama's Indecision Could Cause Higher Gas and Oil Prices!

[righteousdude2]

The next time you fill up your vehicle, you may want to send a note to Obama, your local elected officials, and the environmental "nuts" in Nebraska. :flower:

Delays in the Keystone XL pipeline project could divert 700,000 barrels a day of oil to China. :sleep:

Thanks Obama, we love your ability to make executive and administrative decisions that help relieve the financial stress of our weakened economy. :tonofbricks:

SEE:http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/OilPipeline-Nebraska/2011/11/14/id/418011?s=al&promo_code=D832-1

 

[InTheLight]

The next time you fill up your vehicle, you may want to send a note to Obama, your local elected officials, and the environmental "nuts" in Nebraska. :flower:

Delays in the Keystone XL pipeline project could divert 700,000 barrels a day of oil to China. :sleep:

Thanks Obama, we love your ability to make executive and administrative decisions that help relieve the financial stress of our weakened economy. :tonofbricks:

SEE:http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/OilPipeline-Nebraska/2011/11/14/id/418011?s=al&promo_code=D832-1

OK,

Dear President Obama:

Your decision to seek alternative routing on the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas because of the possibility that it might contaminate underground water supplies in Nebraska is being supported by Republican governor and "environmental nut" Gov. Dave Heineman, a staunch conservative. How dare you work together with a state governor of a farm state on the issue of water purity!

Are you aware that 700,000 barrels of oil per day that this pipeline would deliver into the U.S. would probably lower the cost of gasoline by a whopping 10 cents per gallon? Ten whole cents!

Even though all oil exports from Canada currently go to the United States, if this delay lasts long there is a teensy-weensy possibility that Canada would draw up new plans, do new environmental studies, and obtain new permits to completely re-plan and re-route the oil pipeline westward to a sea port like Vancouver and begin selling oil to other customers, like China. Why, I bet those Canucks would go to all that time, expense, planning, re-planning, and hassle just to spite you and their lousy exclusive customer--the U.S.A.!

Signed,

Irate Voter

 

[revmwc]

OK,

Dear President Obama:

Your decision seek alternative routing on the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas because of the possibility that it might contaminate underground water supplies in Nebraska is being supported by Republican governor and "environmental nut" Gov. Dave Heineman, a staunch conservative. How dare you work together with a state governor of a farm state on the issue of water purity!

Are you aware that 700,000 barrels of oil per day that this pipeline would deliver into the U.S. would probably lower the cost of gasoline by a whopping 10 cents per gallon? Ten whole cents!

Even though all oil exports from Canada currently go to the United States, if this delay lasts long there is a teensy-weensy possibility that Canada would draw up plans, do environmental studies, and obtain permits to completely replan and re-route the oil pipeline westward to a sea port like Vancouver and begin selling oil to other customers, like China. Why, I bet those Canucks would go to all that time, expense, planning, re-planning, and hassle just to spite you and the U.S.A.!

Signed,

Irate Voter

So how do figure it will have any chance of contaminating water? Ever worked on pipe do you know how they fitting and welding processes go. That they will use a jacketed pipe. Do you know what a jacketed pipe is?
That is a pipe with a pipe. That means if the pipe carrying the oil leaked it would leak into the outer pipe thus containing any sepage. Next meters on the pipe show a drop in pressure meaning if the internal pipe developed a significant enough leak there would be a loss of pressure and they leak pinpointed. If the internal was leaking that bad the external would contain the leaking oil. Very minute chance of any water contamination. That is a fact the enviromentalist who claim this will do this or that fail to let folks know in order to keep people uninformed of the process and safety aspects built into the pipeline. You are now no longer uninformed of this procees.

 

[InTheLight]

So how do figure it will have any chance of contaminating water? Ever worked on pipe do you know how they fitting and welding processes go. That they will use a jacketed pipe. Do you know what a jacketed pipe is?
That is a pipe with a pipe. <snip>

So oil spills are impossible with jacketed pipes?

This just in:

Earthquake rattles South Dakota, Nebraska

Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2011

If you were still awake just before midnight Sunday, you might have noticed the earth shaking.

A 3.7 magnitude earthquake shook the ground at 11:51 p.m. The tremor’s epicenter was 29 miles west-northwest of Chadron and 26 miles south of Hot Springs, S.D. It occurred at a depth of 3.1 miles below the surface.

Earthquake-producing faults exist in the subsurface in the Chadron area, but chances of a magnitude five or greater tremor are low. Balmat said there are other reasons to study the area, however.

“Identifying and studying faults in northwestern Nebraska and southwestern South Dakota is important not only for hazard assessment but also for understanding groundwater resources in the region,” she said.

Read more: http://rapidcityjournal.com/thechad...fd0-11e1-9eb8-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1dsskt2VL


From the article posted by the OP:

But the first section passes over the Ogallala Aquifer, a vast, shallow water table that yields nearly one-third of the nation’s irrigation, as well as tap water for huge portions of Nebraska and parts of South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Texas.

Critics, including politicians on both sides of the fence in Nebraska, say the route of the pipeline would present an unacceptable risk as a spill could contaminate the aquifer.

 

[mandym]

But he blamed election year politics for the impasse. “This is simply the political season in the United States and decisions are being made for domestic political reasons that often have little or nothing to do with what other countries may think" said the Conservative party prime minister.

And he is most likely correct

 

[InTheLight]

And he is most likely correct

Except that state and local leaders on both sides of the fence are calling for a diversion of the pipeline.

Also, isn't "making decisions that have little or nothing to do with what other countries think" usually considered a conservative virtue?

 

[mandym]

Also, isn't "making decisions that have little or nothing to do with what other countries think" usually considered a conservative virtue?

And this has to do with what?

 

[billwald]

EXACTLY WHY should it lower retail gas prices? In Washington State we are told that our gas price is high because Alaskan crude is more expensive to refine. Tar sand crude is MUCH dirtier than Alaskan crude.

 

[InTheLight]

And this has to do with what?

Since you quoted:

But he blamed election year politics for the impasse. “This is simply the political season in the United States and decisions are being made for domestic political reasons that often have little or nothing to do with what other countries may think" said the Conservative party prime minister.

I presume you believe that the decision to reroute the pipeline has to do with a political reason that has little or nothing to do with what other countries think. I presumed you thought that was a bad thing, since the Canadian prime minister apparently thinks it's a bad thing.

Maybe your opinion on the reroute is neutral and you are just agreeing with the prime minister's reasoning? *don't know*

 

[freeatlast]

So how do figure it will have any chance of contaminating water? Ever worked on pipe do you know how they fitting and welding processes go. That they will use a jacketed pipe. Do you know what a jacketed pipe is?
That is a pipe with a pipe. That means if the pipe carrying the oil leaked it would leak into the outer pipe thus containing any sepage. Next meters on the pipe show a drop in pressure meaning if the internal pipe developed a significant enough leak there would be a loss of pressure and they leak pinpointed. If the internal was leaking that bad the external would contain the leaking oil. Very minute chance of any water contamination. That is a fact the enviromentalist who claim this will do this or that fail to let folks know in order to keep people uninformed of the process and safety aspects built into the pipeline. You are now no longer uninformed of this procees.

Read this and you will be informed about jacketed pipe pipeline leaks.
Already, a major tar sands pipeline leak has affected thousands of people in central Michigan. In July 2010, nearly one million gallons of tar sands oil leaked into the Kalamazoo River...
http://www.thecherokeean.com/news/2...Tar_sands_oil_spills_worry_1st_responder.html

 

[revmwc]

Read this and you will be informed about jacketed pipe pipeline leaks.
Already, a major tar sands pipeline leak has affected thousands of people in central Michigan. In July 2010, nearly one million gallons of tar sands oil leaked into the Kalamazoo River...
http://www.thecherokeean.com/news/2...Tar_sands_oil_spills_worry_1st_responder.html

Don't need to read it, I know how jacketed pipe works can it leak of course but very very rarely. Have been in the construction business for almost 37 years. Have been a pipefitter/fabricator and am now in the material tracking side. Have seen and even fit up jacketed pipe, bolted togther lined pipe and been in many old refineries. Very rare to see leaks in pipe, normally what causes it is utilizing pipe from 3rd world nations like Korea although they seem to be getting better. Most companies have very strict rules on countries of orign for the material they purchase. Xrays on pipe welds reveal any problems with the welds and that is normally where the leak will occur. If the fit is inspected prior to welding and the root pass is inspected by a qualified QC person welds very seldom fail. This pipeline would cause no problems with todays technology and materials.

 

[InTheLight]

If the fit is inspected prior to welding and the root pass is inspected by a qualified QC person welds very seldom fail. This pipeline would cause no problems with todays technology and materials.

Are they earthquake proof?

 

[freeatlast]

Don't need to read it, I know how jacketed pipe works can it leak of course but very very rarely. Have been in the construction business for almost 37 years. Have been a pipefitter/fabricator and am now in the material tracking side. Have seen and even fit up jacketed pipe, bolted togther lined pipe and been in many old refineries. Very rare to see leaks in pipe, normally what causes it is utilizing pipe from 3rd world nations like Korea although they seem to be getting better. Most companies have very strict rules on countries of orign for the material they purchase. Xrays on pipe welds reveal any problems with the welds and that is normally where the leak will occur. If the fit is inspected prior to welding and the root pass is inspected by a qualified QC person welds very seldom fail. This pipeline would cause no problems with todays technology and materials.

The issue is not how rare it is, but that it can happen and if it happens over an aquifer it can be total disaster. Moving the line is the wise choice not trying to convince everyone how safe the pipe is.

 

[revmwc]

Are they earthquake proof?

Depends of course of the metalurgy and the welding procedure. I have seen pipe move off it course 3 to 4 feet and the welds stay perfectly intact. So depending on the amount of vibration and the strength of the weld they could possibly make it through an earthqake. Several pipelines have including the one from Alaska.

 

[freeatlast]

Depends of course of the metalurgy and the welding procedure. I have seen pipe move off it course 3 to 4 feet and the welds stay perfectly intact. So depending on the amount of vibration and the strength of the weld they could possibly make it through an earthqake. Several pipelines have including the one from Alaska.

It also depends on the size of the earthquake.

 

[targus]

It also depends on the size of the earthquake.

Keeping in mind your criteria - environmentally safe, earthquake proof, hurricane proof, tornado proof, etc...

What source of power would you recommend for our nation's energy needs?

 

[freeatlast]

Keeping in mind your criteria - environmentally safe, earthquake proof, hurricane proof, tornado proof, etc...

What source of power would you recommend for our nation's energy needs?

That is your words not mine.

 

[targus]

That is your words not mine.

Fine, pick your own words.

What energy source would you recommend for our nation's energy needs?

 

[freeatlast]

Fine, pick your own words.

What energy source would you recommend for our nation's energy needs?

Everything we have.

 

[Sapper Woody]

This pipeline would cause no problems with todays technology and materials.

You're saying in the last 18 months technology has gotten that much better? The incident being spoken of was in July '10.

I am not saying a leak would appear. But "rare" and "not likely" are not the same as "never" and "impossible". In the military we have what we call the "Military Decision Making Process". To get the overall risk of something, we take into account not only how likely something is to happen, but also the consequences if it were to happen. This is what they are doing: they are saying "This is not likely. But if it were to happen, it would be disastrous."

I am all for caution for the purpose of safety.