The degrading of a nation

[freeatlast]

FAL, so what you're saying is that we should abandon the military, simply because it is coming down to the standard of the world around it? Last I checked, gays were kissing in American streets long before they were in the military. Maybe you should advocate that all the God fearing people leave America?

I don't believe that you can't possibly see how hypocritical you are being because of your hatred of our military. What you are demanding of our military, you are not willing to do youself.

Woody what I am saying is for those who claim to be Christians need to stop being cowards by taking a open stand for their beliefs as has the homosexuals. While their life is steeped in immorality and sin at least they have had the courage to come out openly in support of their sin when the ban was on and some losing their careers for it while the claimed Christians like yourself just set by and watch like cowards instead of coming out calling for honor and morality in the military. Don't try and tell me how the military instills morals in its service personnel while it is supporting immorality. If you want to stay in at least openly make it known to the military that this action is sin and wrong and do it often. Silence is just as much as denying God as is openly saying it.
Speak out! Tell your commanders this is wrong and do it so all can hear loud and long even if it is career ending. Have at least as much courage as those who practice immorality. Write your congressman, write the news media as a military person calling for the leaders to repent, but do something if you want to help instead of getting in the way and taking a free ride while you puff yourself up while you wear a uniform of a disgraced military and nation.

 

[abcgrad94]

FAL, I don't know why you're blaming our military with such fury. If Christians took an active stand praying for our leaders, running for office, and voting for morally upright people, this issue wouldn't have even REACHED the military.

It is very hypocritical to point fingers at the military when there are many other avenues traveled before it got that far.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Woody what I am saying is for those who claim to be Christians to stop being cowards by taking a open stand as has the homosexuals. While their life is steeped in immorality and sin at least they have had the courage to come out openly in support of their sin when the ban was on and some losing their careers for it while the claimed Christians like yourself just set by and watch instead of coming out and calling for honor in morality as any coward will do. If you want to stay in at least openly make it known to the military that this action is sin and wrong and do it often. Silence is just as much as denying God as is openly saying it.
Speak out! Tell your commanders this is wrong and do it so all can hear loud and long. Write your congressman, write the news media as a military person calling for the leaders to repent, but do something if you want to help instead of getting in the way and taking a free ride while you puff yourself up while you wear a uniform of a disgraced military and nation.

What you are doing is assuming that we are remaining silent on the issue. I openly despise homosexuality. I have made this known to my commander and my 1SG, both of who agree. In my company of 200ish soldiers, over 150 have verbally made it known that the repeal of the DADT policies were a mistake.

Just because I do not hate the military, or openly speak of the things that are going on, does not mean that I am not trying to make a change. Instead of despising people and calling people cowards and a disgrace, try giving the benefit of the doubt. I personally have written to media (Army Times) and am currently composing an email to be sent out to my senator about the negative repurcussions of the repealment of the DADT laws.

 

[freeatlast]

FAL, I don't know why you're blaming our military with such fury. If Christians took an active stand praying for our leaders, running for office, and voting for morally upright people, this issue wouldn't have even REACHED the military.

It is very hypocritical to point fingers at the military when there are many other avenues traveled before it got that far.

You remind me of the person who tells a person in need that you will pray for them but not lift a hand to do anything. You are willing to pray but not suffer the consequences of acting on the need. I think you have a lot of support today and especially from those who claim to be Christian and in the military.
Prayer is great, but get in the battle so others can see you mean what you say even if it will cost you something.

 

[Sapper Woody]

You remind me of the person who tells a person in need that you will pray for them but not lift a hand to do anything. You are willing to pray but not suffer the consequences of acting on the need. I think you have a lot of support today and especially from those who claim to be Christian and in the military.
Prayer is great, but get in the battle so others can see you mean what you say even if it will cost you something.

I am going to assume that you wrote this before reading my post I just posted.

 

[freeatlast]

What you are doing is assuming that we are remaining silent on the issue. I openly despise homosexuality. I have made this known to my commander and my 1SG, both of who agree. In my company of 200ish soldiers, over 150 have verbally made it known that the repeal of the DADT policies were a mistake.

Just because I do not hate the military, or openly speak of the things that are going on, does not mean that I am not trying to make a change. Instead of despising people and calling people cowards and a disgrace, try giving the benefit of the doubt. I personally have written to media (Army Times) and am currently composing an email to be sent out to my senator about the negative repurcussions of the repealment of the DADT laws.

For those things I salute you, but for your standing against those who
seek to be heard at all costs I am ashamed of you. You know good and well you can be heard if you seek to be.
If you want to be heard then write 60 minutes, write rush Limbaugh (I am not a fan of him), write family life and do it as a military person making it known not that you just think it wrong but it is a disgrace to the uniform and nation. Speak clearly! Beat on the doors of those who can make you heard as long and as hard as you seek to stand against those who are willing to lose all to be heard. Get a sign that says the repeal of DADT was sin and disgrace to this nation while wearing the uniform and walk in public with it if you want to be heard.You mentioned 150 people voicing their belief on this. If 150 really meant business and stook a stand they would be heard world wide.
Speak out! Tell your commanders this is wrong and do it so all can hear loud and long even if it is career ending. Have at least as much courage as those who practice immorality. Write your congressman, write the news media as a military person calling for the leaders to repent, but do something if you want to help instead of getting in the way and taking a free ride while you puff yourself up while you wear a uniform of a disgraced military and nation. If you do not want to take that strong a stand I understand but stop trying to hinder those who are willing.

 

[Don]

FAL - where are your rants against federal civilian workers, who have been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the military? Where are your rants against the firefighting profession, which has been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the militaty? Where are your rants against the medical profession, which has been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the military?

You choose only the military to spew your venom towards. Don't know what we did to you to cause such hatred of us; but I would remind you that you're not military, never have been, and don't know any of us. So your assumptions about lack of activity on our part are like your statements about brutal policemen being ex-military: unfounded.

Ephesians 6:5-8

 

[freeatlast]

FAL - where are your rants against federal civilian workers, who have been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the military? Where are your rants against the firefighting profession, which has been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the militaty? Where are your rants against the medical profession, which has been openly accepting of the gay lifestyle much longer than the military?

You choose only the military to spew your venom towards. Don't know what we did to you to cause such hatred of us; but I would remind you that you're not military, never have been, and don't know any of us. So your assumptions about lack of activity on our part are like your statements about brutal policemen being ex-military: unfounded.

Ephesians 6:5-8

Don you are playing satan’s game of trying to shift the burden. When any of those entities openly promote same sex relations in this state or area I am connected with I would stand against them. So far it has not happened.

 

[Don]

Don you are playing satan’s game of trying to shift the burden. When any of those entities openly promote same sex relations in this state or area I am connected with I would stand against them. So far it has not happened.

Not shifting the burden at all; merely pointing out your hypocrisy. And with the statements above, you've pointed out just how hypocritical you are. You say that when you become aware of firemen, policemen, doctors, state or federal workers in your area; yet you're very, very quick to jump all over the entire military, no matter where they are (for example, the opening post occurrence is no where near where you live). You conveniently ignore that all the professions mentioned, all across our country, are required to comply with federal guidelines on the subject; but you choose to focus your vitriol on the military.

You don't actually know any of us, but you used one of your posts to cast doubt on our salvation simply because we're in the military. Without having been in the military, you've set yourself up as knowing our hearts and salvific condition based on what you think you know about the military.

You've been proven wrong about your pre-conceived notions regarding the military, but you've never repented or offered apology for those errors. You continue to live in your self-delusion that no matter how much evidence is provided otherwise, you're right and everyone else is wrong. Only you have the answers, and if others don't live up to your ideal, then their spiritual condition is in question.

You accuse others of being brainwashed, but can't see the brainwashing you've done to yourself.

 

[freeatlast]

Not shifting the burden at all; merely pointing out your hypocrisy. And with the statements above, you've pointed out just how hypocritical you are. You say that when you become aware of firemen, policemen, doctors, state or federal workers in your area; yet you're very, very quick to jump all over the entire military, no matter where they are (for example, the opening post occurrence is no where near where you live). You conveniently ignore that all the professions mentioned, all across our country, are required to comply with federal guidelines on the subject; but you choose to focus your vitriol on the military.

You don't actually know any of us, but you used one of your posts to cast doubt on our salvation simply because we're in the military. Without having been in the military, you've set yourself up as knowing our hearts and salvific condition based on what you think you know about the military.

You've been proven wrong about your pre-conceived notions regarding the military, but you've never repented or offered apology for those errors. You continue to live in your self-delusion that no matter how much evidence is provided otherwise, you're right and everyone else is wrong. Only you have the answers, and if others don't live up to your ideal, then their spiritual condition is in question.

You accuse others of being brainwashed, but can't see the brainwashing you've done to yourself.

The military is my area. Other local government is not. I have no vote in those areas so they will not hear me. You hypocritical position to say you stand against the sin and yet support the practice by standing against those who do is alarming to say the least. You further degrade the nation and the name of Christ by your actions.

 

[billwald]

How many of you who hate homosexuals have children or other relatives who are homosexuals?

 

[freeatlast]

How many of you who hate homosexuals have children or other relatives who are homosexuals?

Bill why do you think anyone here hates people who are homosexuals?

 

[menageriekeeper]

FAL, this may turn your topic a little but I have to ask:

What makes you think God ever had His hand on America to begin with???

Because our revolution was successful?? (better take a look at what God has to say about rebellion)

Because this new method of a "democratic republic" worked for 200 years? (how many other empires lasted much longer with little to no input of Christianity)

And lets face it, Rome fell AFTER Christianity became popular!

If we Christians do what Christians are supposed to do (salt and light anyone?) then our land will be at peace. And we can do so without all the vitrol and recrimmination I've heard on this thread.

Why do we expect the unsaved to behave in the manner of those saved by grace?

The problem isn't sin. The problem is Christians who have left their first love (go ye into all the world) for politics.

 

[freeatlast]

FAL, this may turn your topic a little but I have to ask:

What makes you think God ever had His hand on America to begin with???

Because our revolution was successful?? (better take a look at what God has to say about rebellion)

Because this new method of a "democratic republic" worked for 200 years? (how many other empires lasted much longer with little to no input of Christianity)

And lets face it, Rome fell AFTER Christianity became popular!

If we Christians do what Christians are supposed to do (salt and light anyone?) then our land will be at peace. And we can do so without all the vitrol and recrimmination I've heard on this thread.

Why do we expect the unsaved to behave in the manner of those saved by grace?

The problem isn't sin. The problem is Christians who have left their first love (go ye into all the world) for politics.

That is a good question. I believe that God raises up nations and tears them down. I believe that He puts kings in office and removes them. In our case I believe He raised this nation up (had His hand on us if you will) with purpose and we are now degrading what He intended when he raised it up and that He is in the process of removing His hand (blessing, support) on us. He will decide if we remain or fall, but I am convinced if we remain we will do so under great suffering and turmoil.
.Our demise is not because of the unsaved, but because of the church as we are losing our taste.

 

[menageriekeeper]

In our case I believe He raised this nation up (had His hand on us if you will) with purpose and we are now degrading what He intended when he raised it up

Honestly FAL, I've heard this practically all my life. But I can't find anything in scripture that points to any event, any coming country/empire that even begins to resemble our country or for that matter, any country on this side of the world.

Events will unfold until the scripture is fullfilled and in that manner, perhaps God put his hand on America. But to say we've been directly blessed and raised up by God, well that adds to my copy of scripture. And it strikes me as arrogant somehow.

I think we worry about the wrong things as Christians. I think its a should be a sign that Christians are on the wrong track that 40 years of fighting things like abortion and sexual issues have resulted in MORE of those things not less.

We need to draw people to Christ. That is our mission. Instead, Christianity is declining. Yeah something is missing in our methods.

 

[freeatlast]

Honestly FAL, I've heard this practically all my life. But I can't find anything in scripture that points to any event, any coming country/empire that even begins to resemble our country or for that matter, any country on this side of the world.

Events will unfold until the scripture is fullfilled and in that manner, perhaps God put his hand on America. But to say we've been directly blessed and raised up by God, well that adds to my copy of scripture. And it strikes me as arrogant somehow.

I think we worry about the wrong things as Christians. I think its a should be a sign that Christians are on the wrong track that 40 years of fighting things like abortion and sexual issues have resulted in MORE of those things not less.

We need to draw people to Christ. That is our mission. Instead, Christianity is declining. Yeah something is missing in our methods.

Thank you for your thoughts on the matter.

 

[Salty]

The military is my area.

Fal - since the military is your expertise - will you please finally tell us what your experience is with the military -
Did you serve on Active Duty, Reserve Duty, DAC? draft dodger - or what?

There is a REASON I am asking for this info....

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Sapper Woody-

Have you been given a block of instruction on how to deal with homosexuals (not "Gays")?
If so, can you share with us the "who,what,when,where,how,why, and ect?

Does the Army still have Race relations clases- if so is it different than the homosexual relations class, ect

Thanks

Salty
NY Guard, Ret

 

[freeatlast]

Fal - since the military is your expertise - will you please finally tell us what your experience is with the military -
Did you serve on Active Duty, Reserve Duty, DAC? draft dodger - or what?

There is a REASON I am asking for this info....

*************

Sapper Woody-

Have you been given a block of instruction on how to deal with homosexuals (not "Gays")?
If so, can you share with us the "who,what,when,where,how,why, and ect?

Does the Army still have Race relations clases- if so is it different than the homosexual relations class, ect

Thanks

Salty
NY Guard, Ret

Just call me a draft dodger. I would under no circumstances serve in our military. I would fight in some resistance if need be but I would not be associated with the military because of what it has become morally. There was a time when one could be proud of the military but not any longer.

 

[abcgrad94]

Just call me a draft dodger. I would under no circumstances serve in our military. I would fight in some resistance if need be but I would not be associated with the military because of what it has become morally. There was a time when one could be proud of the military but not any longer.

So says one safely typing from his chair while our troops are overseas away from their families this Christmas. What a great testimony of brotherly charity and grace you are, FAL.

 

[Don]

The military is my area. Other local government is not.

You mean, the military is in your area? Or it is your area?

How can "local" government not be in your area, or not be your area? Kinda violates the whole definition of "local" if it's not in your area....

I have no vote in those areas so they will not hear me.

Um...wrong. Those areas are obeying federal guidelines. You have a vote every time you vote for a state senator and representative. So now you're just making excuses.

You hypocritical position to say you stand against the sin and yet support the practice by standing against those who do is alarming to say the least. You further degrade the nation and the name of Christ by your actions.

Um...if I'm standing against the sin, and I'm standing against those who do, then how is that supporting the practice? Or being hypocritical? You want to try re-writing that so it makes some type of sense in the english language? Or would you prefer another language that's easier for you, that we can run through the Google translator?