Illegals who pay their way

[billwald]

From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html


In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

 

[freeatlast]

That is fine, Now deport them.

 

[Salty]

...That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

But how many of those illegals used Medicaid and other govt sponsored give-a-way-programs?

 

[Arbo]

That is fine, Now deport them.

:thumbsup: Yup.

 

[Christos doulos]

From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html


In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

I really don't know where you are going with this, but it is the law. You are gonna expect penalties when you break the law. I don't see the sense in crying foul.

 

[billwald]

Where I'm going <G> is that hiring illegals helps fund SS and Medicare and also is the the most efficient way of sending aid to Mexican families.

 

[Mexdeaf]

But how many of those illegals used Medicaid and other govt sponsored give-a-way-programs?

And how many fathered or bore children who are now being supported by Nanny Government? It's an epidemic here in S. Texas!

Anywhere from half to a quarter of the population (depending upon the metro area) are on SS, SSI, or SSDI and nearly half overall are on SNAP.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And how many fathered or bore children who are now being supported by Nanny Government? It's an epidemic here in S. Texas!

Anywhere from half to a quarter of the population (depending upon the metro area) are on SS, SSI, or SSDI and nearly half overall are on SNAP.

Oh how nice....how very nice!

 

[freeatlast]

And how many fathered or bore children who are now being supported by Nanny Government? It's an epidemic here in S. Texas!

Anywhere from half to a quarter of the population (depending upon the metro area) are on SS, SSI, or SSDI and nearly half overall are on SNAP.

So very true. Every one of them is illegible for 100,000 dollars in free tuition to the college of their choice in Texas all at tax payer expense, but if your parents are legally here you get nothing.

 

[righteousdude2]

Paying Their Way - vs - Doing It Right!

From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html


In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

I don't give a hill of beans if they paid their way...they need to apply for citizenship, get in the same line as so many others (who did it the "right way"), and be naturalized; which means being legal and taking the oath required of all naturalized citizens.

The process of naturalization is what's missing in your chain of thought.

Get with the program, Bill. It is very American to expect that your neighbor be American (by naturalization if need be) too! :applause:

SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

BTW-I have two different neighbors on my cul-de-sac who are Americans by naturalization, and both swear by it! They are both angry with the lack of this government's failure to enforce the laws they were required to adhere to more than 20 years ago! :tear:

 

[Christos doulos]

Where I'm going <G> is that hiring illegals helps fund SS and Medicare and also is the the most efficient way of sending aid to Mexican families.

Let's cut through the pragmatic ambiguity. You still have not taken a definitive position on whether it is right or wrong. What does the bible say?

 

[billwald]

Bible gives rules on how to treat strangers. There are 81 KJV references to "strangers" listed in www.biblegateway.com Nothing about requiring treating strangers as felons.

 

[exscentric]

"There are 81 KJV references to "strangers""

Check the context and see how many of those passages are speaking of gentiles coming to the Jewish God for salvation. If that is the case your references speak nothing of illegal aliens.

 

[freeatlast]

Bible gives rules on how to treat strangers. There are 81 KJV references to "strangers" listed in www.biblegateway.com Nothing about requiring treating strangers as felons.

Criminals are not considered strangers, just law breakers to be dealt with by the laws of the land.

 

[righteousdude2]

Hey Bill.

Criminals are not considered strangers, just law breakers to be dealt with by the laws of the land.

....FAL has you on this one?!?!?:tonofbricks:

 

[marke]

From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html


In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

You are correct, and I thank you for posting this.

 

[Mexdeaf]

From http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html


In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system — 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

This amount pales in comparison to how much was paid in wages 'under the table' and how much was paid in benefits to support their illegal babies and pay their hospital bills and the bills for those they injured while driving uninsured, etc. They get no kudos or pity from me at all.

 

[marke]

That is fine, Now deport them.

Have you ever broken the law? Do you know it is against the law to openly exercise Christian principles and practices in many public places today. We don't need to deport illegals, we need to find a way to cut the flow off from future illegal entry into the country while we figure out a way to accomodate as many who are already here who show they are worth trying to accomodate.

Our country needs more workers doing more work, building more families, buying more goods, etc. The secret to economic "growth" is growth that is necessary because of population growth and other things. If we deport thirteen million people, we rip out the heart of our nation where these illegals have already taken root. We have already seen farmers in Alabama ruined by poorly planned laws which devastated the farmer's workforce, bankrupting many of them and adding to the burden of an already sluggish economy.

It should not be illegal for hard workers to come to the USA to work. What should be made illegal is unionization laws which bankrupt businesses, welfare programs which pay healthy workers to remain idle, out of control govt health and welfare benefits which are paid for by the working taxpayers, and so forth.

Besides all this, Bill has it right. God tells us to befriend our neighbors and we should try to figure out how to do that while at the same time tightening up on the illegal alien problem.

 

[Oldtimer]

Deport them! Close the borders! Shut off all the aid and "comfort"!

My family history goes back to England, then to France. My great times x grandparents came into this country legally. They paid their dues.

My parents were hard working share cropper farmers who barely eeked out a living. Yet they paid their taxes and did all that was required of them by Caesar.

My mother died of cancer after racking up huge medical bills. Helped my father apply for assistance even though he didn't want to take "charity". But, he couldn't pay the bills on his meager social security checks. He was turned down because he owned 1, yes, one acre of land and a 3rd hand mobile home. Didn't matter that he was also providing a home for my disabled sister. Didn't matter that he had been laid off from the only job he could get at his age - night watchman.

He only lived a year longer than my Mom. During that time he made a payment every month on Mom's bills.

Treat illegals far better than my parents were treated? What do you think?
Condone what's happening today? What do you think?

The scriptures teach us to help the needy - widows and orphans.
The scriptures teach us to obey the laws of the land.

Correct me if I'm wrong. So far I haven't found any scriptures that urge us to aid lawbreakers at the expense of those truly in need through no fault of their own. What's going to happen to my sister when we're gone and can't help her any longer? When the illegal and legal freeloaders have drained public assistance dry?

 

[freeatlast]

Deport them! Close the borders! Shut off all the aid and "comfort"!

My family history goes back to England, then to France. My great times x grandparents came into this country legally. They paid their dues.

My parents were hard working share cropper farmers who barely eeked out a living. Yet they paid their taxes and did all that was required of them by Caesar.

My mother died of cancer after racking up huge medical bills. Helped my father apply for assistance even though he didn't want to take "charity". But, he couldn't pay the bills on his meager social security checks. He was turned down because he owned 1, yes, one acre of land and a 3rd hand mobile home. Didn't matter that he was also providing a home for my disabled sister. Didn't matter that he had been laid off from the only job he could get at his age - night watchman.

He only lived a year longer than my Mom. During that time he made a payment every month on Mom's bills.

Treat illegals far better than my parents were treated? What do you think?
Condone what's happening today? What do you think?

The scriptures teach us to help the needy - widows and orphans.
The scriptures teach us to obey the laws of the land.

Correct me if I'm wrong. So far I haven't found any scriptures that urge us to aid lawbreakers at the expense of those truly in need through no fault of their own. What's going to happen to my sister when we're gone and can't help her any longer? When the illegal and legal freeloaders have drained public assistance dry?

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: