1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Israel looks to gays to improve its image

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by freeatlast, Jan 5, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    #1 freeatlast, Jan 5, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 5, 2012
  2. preacher4truth

    preacher4truth Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    17
    Well, it wasn't too long after Lot pitched his tent near Sodom that the angels came, removed the redeemed from the wicked city, and destroyed those left behind.
     
  3. billwald

    billwald New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2000
    Messages:
    11,414
    Likes Received:
    2
    But that can't happen until the Jews build a temple for Jesus to return to, right? <G>
     
  4. J.D.

    J.D. Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,553
    Likes Received:
    11
    A sobering light to awaken Christian Zionists from their delusion that modern Israel is "God's People".
     
  5. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is my understanding that the Lord Jesus will build His own temple after He returns. There will be a temple built by the Jews during the tribulation as I understand it, but not in the right place because of the dome of the rock. Christ will correct that after His return.
     
  6. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2000
    Messages:
    16,944
    Likes Received:
    1
    An unfortunately side effect to people being idiotic racists is that it drives those being oppressed away from conservatives (who typically are much stronger racists) and naturally, towards liberals, who tend to not be as ignorant when it comes to racial matters.

    Drawing the conclusion that Jews aren't God's chosen people because of wrong beliefs seems silly, doesn't it?
     
    #6 Gina B, Jan 5, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 5, 2012
  7. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    101
    We've got to separate spiritual Israel from political Israel.
     
  8. preacher4truth

    preacher4truth Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    17
    gays aren't a race, if you are referring to them as one
     
  9. righteousdude2

    righteousdude2 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    11,154
    Likes Received:
    242
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Fair is Fair, or Is It....

    ...if you are going to close one OP because of homosexuality content for discussion, then close them all!

    Not to close all OP's on gay or homosexual issues is hypocritical and appears to be selective...:tear:
     
  10. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Likes Received:
    80
    This bring about an interesting point. For those who believe that the modern state of Israel deserves the same treatment as Old Testament Israel how should Christians respond to this?

    Would it be 'cursing Israel' to condemn this action?
     
  11. NiteShift

    NiteShift New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,034
    Likes Received:
    0
    It would not be cursing Israel. Even when David was king they were open to criticism. The prophets did it all the time. But then some folks will do backflips trying to prove that the Jews were never God's chosen nation, or that if they were, He has rejected them for all times. (Not saying that about you Roger)

    "Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!"
     
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Likes Received:
    80
    My view is simply that God promises were to His people, the Jews of the Old Testament. I contend that they still exist today, but may not be represented by the current political state founded in 1948.

    Thanks for a balanced response. I do find that some will not tolerate any criticism of Israel. I even have one friend who feels that he needs to always be a fan of the Israeli football (soccer) team.

    I hope that we are wise enough that we don't have such a blind devotion to modern Israel that w ignore sinful choices.
     
    #12 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 6, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 6, 2012
  13. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think that their individual actions can be brought into account and still not be curing Israel. God never supports or justifies their evil and I don't think we are to either.
     
  14. preacher4truth

    preacher4truth Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    17
    Well, I don't think any of the prophets felt that way when condemning Israel for her sins and for breaking the commandments of God.

    I think an example of cursing Israel would be in that which Balaam was asked to do against them.

    - Peace
     
  15. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  16. J.D.

    J.D. Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,553
    Likes Received:
    11
    Old Covenant Israel was cursed by Jesus. They rejected their Messiah. Modern Israel's secularism and moral corruption is a reflection of their Godlessness.
     
  17. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2000
    Messages:
    16,944
    Likes Received:
    1
    No. I know many don't agree with it, but I call Jews a race. I'm generalizing the entire Jewish race. (go ahead, call me racist, ha!) The point I failed to get across was this: It's not a major surprise that the majority of Jewish people tend towards liberalism since conservatives have typically shown tons more racism to the Jews. Naturally, Jewish people will be drawn more towards those who do not hate them. It seems as if conservatives tend to hold the most hatred for Jews and Blacks. Half the world wanted to make slaves of Africans, the other half wanted to kill all the Jews.

    It doesn't surprise me at all that people who have been oppressed by conservatives don't embrace conservative values as easily as they embrace liberal ideas.
     
  18. preacher4truth

    preacher4truth Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    17
    That's an interesting take, and I apologize for not understanding what you meant, I'm glad you clarified that. One point I will make is that our society is being hoodwinked by the pc crowd to think of h*mosexuals as a race. They're not.

    To the point about conservatives holding hatred to Jews moreso than liberals, I tend to see the contrary.

    One of the most liberal types that showed great hatred towards the Jews would be Hitler. Many socialist idealogies come from his ideas. I also tend to hear more from the conservative voice concerning making certain we protect Israel and be allied Israel, having their best interest in mind, and exposing liberals for turning their backs on them.
     
  19. NiteShift

    NiteShift New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,034
    Likes Received:
    0
    Jesus cursed the religious leaders many times. I don't believe he ever cursed the nation.

    And when people argue that the current government of Israel is not divinely appointed, I say so what? Just read through Chronicles and see how many of the kings "did what was evil like his father before him".

    Balaam was unable to "come curse Jacob". There is no mention of the government per se. God wouldn't let him curse the nation and it's people.
     
  20. FR7 Baptist

    FR7 Baptist Active Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2,378
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gina, I'm liberal and I like the Jews. There are many Jews active in the left-wing movement. Have you thought about becoming a liberal?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...