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[Zaac]

I only pray that no one is foolish enough to actually carry through with the revolution/civil war. It will result in millions of dead Americans and a splintered collection of states each of which defends its own and despises everyone else. None of those nations will be anywhere near a world power.

Maybe this is why we don't see the US mentioned on prophecy.

It's sad. People are just that angry C4K. They say they are not. But they are. And if you visit a lot of Baptist churches, you will hear the political and issue driven rhetoric that keeps the people of God revved up about politics rather than about seeing people saved and pointed to Christ.

Scripture continues to show itself true in principle and act.

Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, Matt. 24:12

As many in the church continue to unrepentantly sin, the evident decrease in love is becoming overwhelming.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It's sad. People are just that angry C4K. They say they are not. But they are. And if you visit a lot of Baptist churches, you will hear the political and issue driven rhetoric that keeps the people of God revved up about politics rather than about seeing people saved and pointed to Christ.

Name some you have visited, and tell us what they have said.

 

[poncho]

What frightens the establishment most, I think, is that the American people have become active participants in their own national environment once again. At Bundy ranch, they stopped asking for mercy, they stopped begging the system to police itself, they stopped waiting for the rigged elections, and they stopped relying on useless legal avenues to effect change. Rather, they took matters into their own hands and changed the situation on the ground on their own. For oligarchy, this development is unacceptable, because one success could lead to many.

Already, we are beginning to hear whispers of possible Federal retribution against those who participated in the confrontation.

This has been cemented within the efforts of a new task force against “domestic terrorism” organized by none other than Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder.

After the recent exposure of Barack Obama’s Department of Defense Directive 3025.18, we now know that since at least 2010, the White House has been setting the stage for the use of military force against “domestic threats.” That is to say, for at least the past four years our government has been quietly maneuvering toward martial law. It’s been happening for much longer if you count George W. Bush’s Presidential Decision Directive 51, which has yet to befully declassified.

The exposure of Directive 3025.18 also came with information that the Obama Administration considered using it as a way to activate military forces and drones against the Bundy ranch. The burning question is, of course, why didn’t it? The Federal government is not known for its diplomacy in the face of a defiant citizenry. Waco and Ruby Ridge made that clear. I believe that it was not necessarily the people on the ground at Bunkerville, Nev., that they were most worried about. The terrain is admittedly a terrible place to mount a defense against a mechanized horde of jackboots.

No, what the White House feared was a larger response to such an attack. It feared the millions of patriots who would swarm down from all sides if it committed to a Ruby Ridge-style siege. It feared the reality that this time, Americans were not going to sit back and watch another family be slaughtered on national television. It feared the fact that it didn’t have the moral high ground in the public eye and that a kinetic failure on its part would be met with cheers, rather than tears, from much of the populace.

So where does this leave us?

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/a-second-american-revolution-is-now-inevitable_06112014

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Maybe this is why we don't see the US mentioned on prophecy.

BINGO!! One way or another, this country is removed from the international seat of power in order for God's will for judgment and justice to be carried out.

I'd rather live in a minor, free country for a few years than to live under a totalitarian regime until the Rapture, thank you.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

And what is going to keep your minor free country from from invasion as foreign powers ally with your former countrymen?

I can't imagine a worse idea for America than an internal war that everyone would lose.

 

[righteousdude2]

I would suggest that it may very well be time for us to revisit the words mostly written by Thomas Jefferson 238 years ago.Note that the right to govern is given into the hands, by God, to those who are to be governed. When the government ceases to do the will of the governed ... We are not to take this responsibility lightly ...Have we reached the point that the evils foisted upon us by our government are no longer sufferable? Overall, no. You may be surprised to see me admit that. However, are we that far from the point of insufferability experienced by our founders at the hands of England? Let's examine that.

• Taxation without representation: The battle cry of the Revolution, among others, it is often misinterpreted as the colonists wishing for representation in Parliament. This is not the case, as such representation would have been unworkable from the sheer distances involved. However, the Colonists, who always considered themselves the King's good and loyal servants wanted nothing more than that which every other English citizen had: the right to elect those who taxed them, in this case, the colonial legislatures. In fact, after the battles of Lexington and Concord, the Continental Congress forwarded an Olive Branch Petition to George III stating their desire to remain within the Empire as long as they were granted these rights. George, however, felt they had gone too far and declared them in rebellion.
• Economic impact of Seven Years' War: An ongoing conflict between England and her allies vs. France and her allies had resulted in four direct conflicts in the previous 100 years beginning in 1689. The French and Indian War on colonial soil was an extension of the continuing hostilities. When a shaky peace of sorts was finally achieved, England found itself in heavy debt, and immediately sought to recoup revenues. The resulting Sugar Act, which refocused the intent of the soon-to-expire Sugar and Molasses Act from trade regulation to direct revenue enhancement. The Currency Act greatly interfered with business and trade because it forbade colonies from granting currency status to bills of credit, which were necessary due to the shortage of gold and silver in the colonies. Finally, the Stamp Act, required all legal documents including commercial contracts, newspapers, wills, marriage licenses, diplomas, pamphlets, and playing cards in the American colonies to carry a tax stamp. The Stamp Act was the first direct tax used by the British government to collect revenues from the colonies. Though there were scattered objections in Parliament to using a stamp tax to collect revenue from the colonies,PM George Grenville could not understand how anyone in the colonies could protest a tax which the people in Britain had been paying for over fifty years.
• The Colonies Protest: The North American colonies, being the sole targets of these taxes, reacted badly to them. The result was more taxes. England Head of Treasury Charles Townshend proposed three measures that became known as the Townshend Acts consisting of the Revenue Act of 1767, the Suspension of the New York Assembly Act, and the Board of Customs Act. The Revenue Act raised revenue from the colonies by putting new import duties on lead, glass, paints, and tea. The New York Assembly Act suspended the New York Assembly until it agreed to obey the Quartering Act. The American Board of Customs Act established a Board of Customs Commission in Boston to enforce the duties imposed by the Revenue Act and created new Vice Admiralty courts in Boston, Philadelphia, and Charleston. Townshend did not believe the colonists would reject the import duties as they had rejected the Stamp Act since the new duties were considered external taxes.

Obviously, Townshend was wrong. After several political actions and reactions between England and her colonies, "violence" of a sort broke out, including the famous Boston Tea Party, and eventually, these words:So, C4K, the question stands: Are we far removed from that point of insufferability?

• We have the agency responsible for serving our brave veterans who have fought and given portions of their lives and their bodies for the defense of this nation being killed by neglect and cavalier treatment from that very agency, which is also covering it up and paying bonuses to administrators who have lied about their "efficiency" so they get a reward for incompetence.
• We have our main electronic spy agencies using a legal format passed by the previous administration to spy on enemies of the state turning it's eyes inward, on its own people.
• We have our own agency for taxation using its questionable powers to delay, hinder and outright kill organizations opposing the current administration, and once falling under scrutiny of Congress, stalling, lying about it, destroying evidence that may prove it, and stonewalling a legal congressional inquiry with ridiculous claims and excuses on the level of "the dog ate my homework."
• We have four dead Americans in a foreign country who were lawfully executing their duties as representatives of the United States government, the result of a vicious attack by terrorists and sworn enemies of our country, covered up, investigations delayed, stalled, negated and denied by an administration desperate to retain power far and above the need for justice, which now, two years later, has still not been done.
• We have an administration which attempted to silence its media critics by threatening reporters from the Associated Press and Fox News with treason.
• We have the ludicrously conceived and ill-executed "Fast & Furious" ATF scheme that's sole "achievement" is the death of a U.S. border patrol officer.
• We have an attorney general who has obviously perjured himself not one, but twice, first telling Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Fox News' James Rosen a potential criminal, then telling Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier.
• We have HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate, the money intended be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for ObamaCare -- a completely illegal and unconstitutional act.
• We have over a dozen others, including "the GSA Gone Wild," in 2010, Solyndra, GM, "Lisa Jackson AKA Richard Windsor" emails, the failure to prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation, Obama's illegal legislation passed with his "pen and phone," the hacking of Sheryl Attkinson's computer, the Beau Bergdahl debacle in which a deserter was traded for the entire top echelon of the former Taliban government and military, the firing of eight cabinet level IGs because they did their job, the firing of over 200 high-level combat-experienced command staff in the U.S. military for no apparent reason whatsoever, all on trumped up and likely faked allegations.

I'm sure there are others. We have one chance in November to right the ship of state. If Obama and the Democrats steal another election, as they have done twice before, then we will have, in my opinion, reached the point of insufferability Jefferson alluded to before enumerating King George and the British Parliament's injustices. It will be time for the "Right of the People" to be exercised, one way or another.

:thumbs::applause::applause:

 

[righteousdude2]

My response to the sublime!

That's what you're doing too.



On one hand you got the ones who you say Obama and the DNC have won favor. On the other you got the angry ones who say they are Christians but act nothing like Christ with whom the GOP has won favor.




Looks again like we've got folks in the church wanting government to change things at the same time wanting government to stop intruding so much in our lives.

Maybe if the Body of Christ started acting like the Body of Christ, we would again, see such an increase in the number of folks coming to faith in Christ and loving Jesus that the government would start reflecting the way of Christ instead of the way of a party's politics.

And the folks on here who say it may be that way in your church but not in mine need to stop because seeing the behavior of the many on this board alone shows it IS in your church too, but like normalized heterosexual sin in the media, it's tacitly and straightforwardly accepted.

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Take that, Zaac -

 

[righteousdude2]

Good point, but take it further ....

Americans are no longer represented in congress.

That should have been obvious when Goldman Sachs/Monsanto agents were nominated for the presidency by both parties.

The "to big to fail banks" have representation in congress. Monopoly men have representation in congress. The military industrial complex has representation in congress. The insurance companies have representation in congress. Transnational corporations have representation in congress.

The American people do not. The American people are just cash cows for those who do have representation in congress.

We are NO longer represented in local government or state government!

 

[righteousdude2]

You took the words out of my mouth ....

Name some you have visited, and tell us what they have said.

Yes, Zaac, you said, now give us proof. Name names, and give us quotes.

I don't think you have visited any churches, sir, and I think you are embellishing once again, similar to how you hyperbolize about the morality of those on this board!

So, the challenge is down, and the clock is ticking, tell us, or be branded as someone grasping at straws to make your point seem more powerful! Well .... "tick-tock!" :wavey:

 

[righteousdude2]

Let me ask you this, C4K ....

And what is going to keep your minor free country from from invasion as foreign powers ally with your former countrymen?

I can't imagine a worse idea for America than an internal war that everyone would lose.

What is going to guarantee our protection from a foreign power taking over America in the here and now? This administration is so lame and so weak, we are being invaded now from the south and no onw, and I mean no one in DC is willing to enforce the laws of immigration for the purpose of protecting us from this invasion!

And it is an invasion.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So some folks really, truly believe that millions of dead Americans and the splintering of the nation is better than the current state of affairs?

Really?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

C4K, was the U.S. formed fraudulently ?

 

[righteousdude2]

Me thinks .....

Major difference in 1776 and 2014? Americans today have the right to vote and are represented in Congress. There was no franchise to exercise then.

..... that the votes are being bought by giving the entitled what they want or crave, in turn giving the party that will keep the entitlements alive and well will be the one they vote for!

I think a lot of Americans are disappointed in voting. Money and politics are keeping the dead wood in office, while getting fresh blood in office is like a snail running for it's life! It ain't happening! It is beginning to look like the deck is stacked in favor of the house, and even when we hae one victory at the polls, one person will not have a chance against the other hundred or the veto power of a POTUS! Even the SCOTUS, strikes down attempts to make changes, saying they are unconstitutional!

I think America is not only divided, it is frustrated and no longer hopeful.

Although, C4K, I agree with you about a destructive revolution. I watched with interest the television series, Jericho, a few years back, and see this happening in America.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

..... that the votes are being bought by giving the entitled what they want or crave, in turn giving the party that will keep the entitlements alive and well will be the one they vote for!

I think a lot of Americans are disappointed in voting. Money and politics are keeping the dead wood in office, while getting fresh blood in office is like a snail running for it's life! It ain't happening! It is beginning to look like the deck is stacked in favor of the house, and even when we hae one victory at the polls, one person will not have a chance against the other hundred or the veto power of a POTUS! Even the SCOTUS, strikes down attempts to make changes, saying they are unconstitutional!

I think America is not only divided, it is frustrated and no longer hopeful.

Although, C4K, I agree with you about a destructive revolution. I watched with interest the television series, Jericho, a few years back, and see this happening in America.

I don't think Jericho was too far off in depicting what would happen in an internal war, especially if nuclear weapons were involved.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

And what is going to keep your minor free country from from invasion as foreign powers ally with your former countrymen?

You think a foreign power such as China or Russia will be interested in "invading" a four-, six- or 10-state consortium of formerly United States? What on earth for? It would be unnecessary. We would pose no threat to them that could not be resolved by trade agreements and treaties.

Here's another newsflash for you: No country in the world can afford hegemony anymore.

I can't imagine a worse idea for America than an internal war that everyone would lose.

This statement sickens me, C4K. If, regardless of how destructive war is, the alternative to such a fight is to submit to totalitarianism, and yours is the prime personal reaction among American citizens, we've already lost. Destruction has already occurred. The American spirit lies dying in the middle of the street, mugged by criminals, and no one cares.

Tell you what. You sit back in your easy chair in Ireland and let us handle it for you, OK? Maybe we'll even give you a passport to visit when it's over.

Don't count on it, though.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If this horrendous scenario plays out I won't have a 'country' I want to return to.

I'd be happy with my Irish passport since any petty American nation would be no more influential and not worth returning to.

It would not be the America I still love and where I cherish my citizenship.

I'd hardly want a passport for the Tea Party Republic.

 

[righteousdude2]

Let me ask you C4K ....

If this horrendous scenario plays out I won't have a 'country' I want to return to.

I'd be happy with my Irish passport since any petty American nation would be no more influential and not worth returning to.

It would not be the America I still love and where I cherish my citizenship.

I'd hardly want a passport for the Tea Party Republic.

How long have you been out of the states? Have you seen, and I mean actually seen what is going on here?

We have a POTUS that is avoiding the Constitution ... forcing unpopular programs down our throats, and driving up our debt by the day!

He swore to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic, yet he has sat back and allowed illegal immigrants for countries around this world to come here with no repercussion for their actions.

His inaction at the border has resulted in Mexicans running through our streets, waving the flag of their homeland, Mexico! These people have become politically and legally complacent to American laws, witnessed in their demands that America and Americans accept them and forget they broke laws to get here.

America has more people on wlefare than earning a check, and even if those who truly want to save America go to the polls and vote, we are being voted down by a national community of socialists that Obama created over the last 8 years.

He has gained the full support of all those Americans who are afraid they might lose some or all entitlements. He has the loyalty of the same sex marriage group, again afraidn that a conservative group and POTUS might change the laws. He has the support of all those illegal immirgrants who have somehow found a way to steal identities and vote. And he has the support of 90% of the black community.

Anyone that follows Obama and the DNC will in fact vote for a Democrat to protect the changes they believe they may lose if a conservative POTUS and Congress come into power.

The community organizer has organized a strong community of support, and it may take years, decades, to get a majority to vote these socialists out of office.

Exercizing out franchise is not going to bring about the kind of change to save America, at least anytime soon! So, when Obama came into office in 2008, we had a divided nation, not it is divided and extremely frustrated, and we are on the edge of civil unrest. I don't know what you remembered of America when you left for Ireland, but the America we have today has changed in a bad way, and when frustration alond with a strong divide set in, the frustrated usually set out to make a change, even if it means losing life and property.

I see more people than ever willing to fight, and if that means war, so be it, to overthrow this socialist mindset ruining America!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So we are discussing warfare to overthrow freely elected government officials and thereby refusing to accept the will of the electorate?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

So we are discussing warfare to overthrow "freely elected government officials" ...

What a joke!! The election was stolen through lies and obfuscation concerning Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the IRS scandal, and others, and very likely voter fraud! There was nothing "free" about that election!! You're being willfully blind to the facts, and as such deserve whatever happens to your "country" -- one that stopped being what you think it is six years ago.

... and thereby refusing to accept the will of the electorate?

More garbage which is the result of faulty thinking based on your erroneous assumption from the first half of that quote.

You just don't get it, do you? You have no idea what it means to defend your nation, stand in the gap for an ideal, a heritage, a spirit, for which blood has been shed for over 200 years -- including mine, C4K ... including mine!!!, only to watch it be mugged, beaten, and left dying in the streets by criminals, men of a different ideology, a failed ideology that is being retreated from around the world -- except in the nation of which you speak fearfully but obviously do not understand. Likely never did.

What do you think of Jefferson's statement to William Stephens Smith? He wrote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

You don't understand that attitude, do you? You actually fear the consequences of freedom, liberty and democracy. You have abdicated your responsibilities as an American, C4K. Do us a favor: Stay where you are. Apply for citizenship there. You've become them, not us.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

One thing I do know. This kind of intolerance for divergent views is indeed not part of the America I treasure and it is what I most fear in what will be left of America if these wars come.