BREAKING NEWS: ISIL Declares New Islamic State

[righteousdude2]

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/06/...rid7|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=495132

It's official, the ISIS/ISIL has declared that part of Syria and part of Iraq is now under the control of a new Islamic state!

That was quick .... :laugh:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I saw that - and share your concern. But I have some hope because it is still up to them to prove the caliphate is real and get recognition.

 

[Jkdbuck76]

That's good. What an epic failure playing in the sanbox has been.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

That's good. What an epic failure playing in the sanbox has been.

^^^THIS^^^. Especially since: (1) the middle eastern borders were artificially redrawn at the end of WWI; and (2) most of our misadventures in the middle east have begotten more problems (ie 'blowback'). I don't see any good coming out of the USA embroiling itself in a sectarian war between Muslims.

 

[Revmitchell]

Blowback is a myth. Those extremists would be doing everything they are doing with or without our involvement in that area. Truth is we have most likely beaten them back.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Blowback is a myth. Those extremists would be doing everything they are doing with or without our involvement in that area. Truth is we have most likely beaten them back.

Not sure how you can say that when the 1979 hostage crisis was in response to the CIA subverting the elected Iranian leader in 1953 and propping up the Shah. Then we propped up a fellow named Saddam Hussein, and, well, you know the rest of the story...

I don't disgree with the fact that there are fanatical Muslim extremists out there, but the US seems to stir up the hornets nest quite a bit.

 

[Revmitchell]

Then we propped up a fellow named Saddam Hussein, and, well, you know the rest of the story...

If that is your example then you do not know what blowback is.

I don't disgree with the fact that there are fanatical Muslim extremists out there, but the US seems to stir up the hornets nest quite a bit.

Sure we do. By doing the right thing and beating them back.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I saw that - and share your concern. But I have some hope because it is still up to them to prove the caliphate is real and get recognition.

The problem for the rest of the world is, they don't care if it recognizes their caliphate. They will act as though a nation of Islam regardless of whether there is forthcoming diplomatic recognition, and they will continue on toward Baghdad, and likely attempt to encompass Jordon and Saudi Arabia, eventually.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Understand. Trying to be optimistic. We have a family in our church who have taken a job in Saudi starting in August. Kind of anxious for them.

 

[poncho]

Not sure how you can say that when the 1979 hostage crisis was in response to the CIA subverting the elected Iranian leader in 1953 and propping up the Shah. Then we propped up a fellow named Saddam Hussein, and, well, you know the rest of the story...

I don't disgree with the fact that there are fanatical Muslim extremists out there, but the US seems to stir up the hornets nest quite a bit.

You have to understand DT people around the world just naturally accept whatever we do to them. Just because we overthrow their governments, destroy their cities, occupy their lands, fund and arm the worst of the worst of them and install vicious dictators to rule over them is no reason to get upset with us.

We do it all out of love, don't you see?

 

[Doubting Thomas]

You have to understand DT people around the world just naturally accept whatever we do to them. Just because we overthrow their governments, destroy their cities, occupy their lands, fund and arm the worst of the worst of them and install vicious dictators to rule over them is no reason to get upset with us.

We do it all out of love, don't you see?

Truly--whatever Amerika does is right by definition. I guess when neocons and their synophants can deny that the instances I cited above are examples of 'blowback', they can then smuggly declare that 'blowback is a myth'. That way they can agitate for even more intervention in the middle East without any apparent qualms or any cares about what the further consequences might be.

 

[poncho]

Truly--whatever Amerika does is right by definition. I guess when neocons and their synophants can deny that the instances I cited above are examples of 'blowback', they can then smuggly declare that 'blowback is a myth'. That way they can agitate for even more intervention in the middle East without any apparent qualms or any cares about what the further consequences might be.

Well, the neocons and their apologists have often revealed that thinking about the consequences of their actions isn't their strong suit. Dehumanizing others, fear mongering and destruction is what they are best at.

Maybe that's why they were known as "the crazies" back in the 1980's. Some things never change. I personally fail to see how funding and arming Islamic extremists and using them as proxy forces in Washington and Wall Street's "regime change" efforts around the world is "beating them back" as their numbers and intensity has grown with each fiat Federal Reserve note and weapon we have un-constitutionally gifted them with.

Evidently the whole of government is so worried about them attacking us we have to leave the borders wide open for them.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Evidently the whole of government is so worried about them attacking us we have to leave the borders wide open for them.

This is what's truly maddening...and it belies the narrative that the Gov't is just trying to protect us from the bad guys.

 

[Sapper Woody]

...Amerika...

And right here I stopped reading. Anyone who can't make a point without broadbrush insulting people (see also "little Marxist dictator" and "Hussein") and using sensationalism to bring people to their side, have no credibility with me. If you want to discuss facts, discuss facts. If your argument is strong enough, you won't have to resort to such things.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

And right here I stopped reading. Anyone who can't make a point without broadbrush insulting people (see also "little Marxist dictator" and "Hussein") and using sensationalism to bring people to their side, have no credibility with me. If you want to discuss facts, discuss facts. If your argument is strong enough, you won't have to resort to such things.

Noted. Would you read it if I changed the spelling to AmeriCA?

Perhaps it is sensationalistic, but my use of that spelling convention is not to insult people. Rather, this spelling represents my conviction that our federal goverment has drifted far away from the intent of our Founding Fathers and the contraints of the Constitution well along the path towards totalitarianism. Another way of putting it is that 'AmeriKa' represents a foreign departure from what made AmeriCA great, and that is a tragic thing.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Noted. Would you read it if I changed the spelling to AmeriCA?

Perhaps it is sensationalistic, but my use of that spelling convention is not to insult people. Rather, this spelling represents my conviction that our federal goverment has drifted far away from the intent of our Founding Fathers and the contraints of the Constitution well along the path towards totalitarianism. Another way of putting it is that 'AmeriKa' represents a foreign departure from what made AmeriCA great, and that is a tragic thing.

My post was not directly aimed at you, but a group of which you are part of, and is a culmination of seeing this type of thing all over the BB. I understand the reasoning behind your spelling it that way. But I feel that it is both disrespectful (not only to the nation itself, but to its citizens) and degrading to your own argument.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

My post was not directly aimed at you, but a group of which you are part of, and is a culmination of seeing this type of thing all over the BB. I understand the reasoning behind your spelling it that way. But I feel that it is both disrespectful (not only to the nation itself, but to its citizens) and degrading to your own argument.

Fair enough. Again, by purpose was not to 'degrade' my country or it's citizens but to express concern in the alarming direction our federal government has been heading. The term is to starkly call attention to this danger.

I don't know if you recall, but in the 1980s (or early 90s?) there was a TV miniseries called 'Amerika' which envisioned the US being occupied by the Soviets/UN. This is where I derived the name from, except here I see the growing threat of totalitarianism as result of our federal government's own actions rather than by the conquest of a foreign power.

Nonetheless, to avoid misunderstanding I will refrain from further use of that particular spelling.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Fair enough. Again, by purpose was not to 'degrade' my country or it's citizens but to express concern in the alarming direction our federal government has been heading. The term is to starkly call attention to this danger.

I don't know if you recall, but in the 1980s (or early 90s?) there was a TV miniseries called 'Amerika' which envisioned the US being occupied by the Soviets/UN. This is where I derived the name from, except here I see the growing threat of totalitarianism as result of our federal government's own actions rather than by the conquest of a foreign power.

Nonetheless, to avoid misunderstanding I will refrain from further use of that particular spelling.

Thank you. And I appreciate your attitude in this thread.

 

[poncho]

My post was not directly aimed at you, but a group of which you are part of, and is a culmination of seeing this type of thing all over the BB. I understand the reasoning behind your spelling it that way. But I feel that it is both disrespectful (not only to the nation itself, but to its citizens) and degrading to your own argument.

You're kind of the sensitive type aren't you Sapper?

Personally I don't think a person following unlawful orders from an illegitimate government has any right to tell another how to spell America. But that's just me. And no I don't view being honest with you as being disrespectful. I believe it's more respectful to tell you how it is without trying to be all "diplomatic" about it. I'm angry, a lot of Americans are angry at what's happening to this country and you want us to hold it all in so we don't upset your delicate sensibilities?

Yeah right. Imagine that.

 

[Sapper Woody]

You're kind of the sensitive type aren't you Sapper?

Personally I don't think a person following unlawful orders from an illegitimate government has any right to tell another how to spell America. But that's just me. And no I don't view being honest with you as being disrespectful.

I wasn't telling him how to spell it. I was telling him that spelling it in that way made him lose credibility, and that I considered it disrespectful.

And as for unlawful orders from an illegitimate government, that's your opinion (to which you are entitled), and that's all.

As for sensitivity, maybe. But if I'm sensitive to it (not being the sensitive type), how many others are reading this that are even more sensitive? How many passersby are possibly offended, losing them to the message completely?