The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class With Elizabeth Warrren

[Magnetic Poles]

I think both parties should demand better behavior from their congress people.

AMEN! :thumbs:

 

[carpro]

I also am willing to admit when I got duped by a shyster. For example, while I believe his political views were right for America, John Edwards disappointed me with the lack of ethical behavior during the whole mess with his mistress and the death of his wife. Denying the affair, denying the child, and deeply hurting a woman he ostensibly loved, at least at some point, while she was battling a deadly disease, disgusts me. I regret ever supporting him based on those facts.

You've been duped again by the joker in the white house. How long will it be before you admit that one?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You've been duped again by the joker in the white house. How long will it be before you admit that one?

So you believe. If I come to believe that, I will admit it. So far, I am mixed on the President. None of us will be 100% in agreement with any President. More good than bad at this point, but the one big gripe I have is his continuation of the Bush-era warrantless domestic spying program. THAT is what righties and lefties should be outraged about, not a private insurance reform program that has been falsely labeled a "government takeover" that is anything but.

That said, he was the best choice both in 2008 and 2012.

 

[Use of Time]

So you believe. If I come to believe that, I will admit it. So far, I am mixed on the President. None of us will be 100% in agreement with any President. More good than bad at this point, but the one big gripe I have is his continuation of the Bush-era warrantless domestic spying program. THAT is what righties and lefties should be outraged about, not a private insurance reform program that has been falsely labeled a "government takeover" that is anything but.

That said, he was the best choice both in 2008 and 2012.

This. There are many things in this administration that are certainly worthy and fair to criticize. I was severely disappointed in the continued invasion of privacy that I was shocked to see continued and even escalated under Obama. I'm not a card carrying member of his fan club. Also not a big fan of the use of drones domestically and in some cases overseas. I was somewhat in favor of the ACA but I think he pushed it a little too hard and a little too fast as a lynchpin to his second electoral campaign. When it did come out it was an administrative disaster that has taken the better part of two years to fix. These are things worthy of discussion and criticism.

 

[carpro]

So you believe. If I come to believe that, I will admit it. So far, I am mixed on the President. None of us will be 100% in agreement with any President. More good than bad at this point, but the one big gripe I have is his continuation of the Bush-era warrantless domestic spying program. THAT is what righties and lefties should be outraged about, not a private insurance reform program that has been falsely labeled a "government takeover" that is anything but.

That said, he was the best choice both in 2008 and 2012.

So you believe his handling of foreign affairs and the economy have been spot on?

 

[carpro]

This. There are many things in this administration that are certainly worthy and fair to criticize. I was severely disappointed in the continued invasion of privacy that I was shocked to see continued and even escalated under Obama. I'm not a card carrying member of his fan club. Also not a big fan of the use of drones domestically and in some cases overseas. I was somewhat in favor of the ACA but I think he pushed it a little too hard and a little too fast as a lynchpin to his second electoral campaign. When it did come out it was an administrative disaster that has taken the better part of two years to fix. These are things worthy of discussion and criticism.

Obamacare is still not anywhere near being "fixed".

You believe Obama 's "fixing" of legislation by executive order is OK? Constitutional?

 

[Use of Time]

Sort of, but give me a minute on this one. I'm heading out the door with my wife for dinner but I have a theory that I believe could have solved a lot of the heartburn with the ill advised and stubborn manner that Obama rolled out the ACA. Bear with me here. Fair enough?

 

[carpro]

Sort of, but give me a minute on this one. I'm heading out the door with my wife for dinner but I have a theory that I believe could have solved a lot of the heartburn with the ill advised and stubborn manner that Obama rolled out the ACA. Bear with me here. Fair enough?

Up until the point where you say you believe it is constitutional for the president to alter legislation by executive fiat.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Up until the point where you say you believe it is constitutional for the president to alter legislation by executive fiat.

Every president has done so. Look back over your history and see how many have been criticized for one or more executive orders. This is simply pertinacious political play and is seen as such by the majority of American voters. It plays into the hands of the Democrats, just like impeachment.

That said, if the GOP really was serious they would become proactive instead of simply obstructionist.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

That said, if the GOP really was serious they would become proactive instead of simply obstructionist.

Very true. Sadly, they seem to think their obstructionist tactics will attain their goals.

 

[carpro]

Every president has done so. Look back over your history and see how many have been criticized for one or more executive orders. This is simply pertinacious political play and is seen as such by the majority of American voters. It plays into the hands of the Democrats, just like impeachment.

That said, if the GOP really was serious they would become proactive instead of simply obstructionist.

Give us specific examples of legislation being amended, changed or altered in the oval office by other presidents.

If it's as common as yuo say, it should be easy.

 

[carpro]

Very true. Sadly, they seem to think their obstructionist tactics will attain their goals.

Tell Dirty Harry Reid to bring those 300 odd bills passed by the House and sitting on his desk to the floor of the Senate for debate.

We have an obstructionist Senate, not an obstructionist congress.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Tell Dirty Harry Reid to bring those 300 odd bills passed by the House and sitting on his desk to the floor of the Senate for debate.

We have an obstructionist Senate, not an obstructionist congress.

Partisan delusion is a sad thing.

 

[carpro]

Partisan delusion is a sad thing.

You should know. Just keep drinking that koolaide.

 

[Revmitchell]

Partisan delusion is a sad thing.

How is the fact that Harry Ried has blocked 352 bills passed by the House a paritsan delusion?

What kind of answer is that? Does it mean that you have no real response so you give a nonsensical answer like that?

How about providing some supporting evidence that shows Carpos answer was nothing but a partisan delusion.

In fact I challange you to do so. Otherwise your comment is nothing more than a childish personal attack with no foundation.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Mitch, your partisanship shows as well. You guys only look at one side of the coin, and cry like babies and sling mud with no backing. Do your own homework. Google is your friend. Read something besides extremist blogs.

This will get you started.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Boehner+bills+not+brought+to+a+vote

 

[carpro]

How is the fact that Harry Ried has blocked 352 bills passed by the House a paritsan delusion?

What kind of answer is that? Does it mean that you have no real response so you give a nonsensical answer like that?

How about providing some supporting evidence that shows Carpos answer was nothing but a partisan delusion.

In fact I challange you to do so. Otherwise your comment is nothing more than a childish personal attack with no foundation.

That will never happen and you know it.

As of May of this year, there were 195 House bills stalled in the Senate. 31 of them were democrat bills. They are not controversial and passed with overwhelming bi partisan support.

Now the fact is , there are usually house bills stalled in the Senate. The problem under Dirty Harry's leadership is that they are not even brought up for discussion. Ever.

Currently, there are over 300 House bills in the senate awaiting disposition. Including the same 31 democratic bills that were there in May, plus others.

House democrats are not happy about it, either.

 

[Revmitchell]

Mitch, your partisanship shows as well. You guys only look at one side of the coin, and cry like babies and sling mud with no backing. Do your own homework. Google is your friend. Read something besides extremist blogs.

This will get you started.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Boehner+bills+not+brought+to+a+vote

Apparently it is you who only looks at one side of things. It was you who made the claim that the house was obstructionist as if that was the entire story. When it was brought to your attention that Reid has blocked 352 bills you respond by calling Carpo partisan delusional.

So you intentionally ignore what Reid has done in the Senate and project your behavior on Carpo. It is you who needs to do your homework and drop your partisan delusion it seems.

Especially since you have refused to provide any support that Carpo is a delusional partisan. I am still waiting.

 

[carpro]

More up to date. At the end of July.

352 bills awaiting action.

98 percent of them passed with bipartisan support .

50 percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

70 percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House.

And over 55 of those bills were introduced by Democrats.


The fact that Harry Reid won't allow amendments to be offered accounts for a lot of the problem.

 

[carpro]

Mitch, your partisanship shows as well. You guys only look at one side of the coin, and cry like babies and sling mud with no backing. Do your own homework. Google is your friend. Read something besides extremist blogs.

The response of a troll.

Is that what you are now, MP ? Have you fallen so low?

Pity.