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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths
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I wonder about the accuracy of that statement. A survivor says she 'heard' him reload five times. He had a Glock .45 model 41 which holds 13 rounds, but I suppose he could have sprayed 70 plus rounds with 5 extra clips while he was in there. Has there been an actual shot count given?
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...never mind.
Dylann Roof shot all nine Charleston massacre victims 'multiple times,' court papers charge
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ston-church-shooting-report-article-1.2263668
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You used to be able to get extensions for those that would hold up to 27 rounds.
Anyone who has an index finger than throw an awful lot of bullets around with one lone of those. Once in your hand, they are very easy to shoot, and shoot a lot. And I can reload an ACP pretty fast. All it takes is practice.
I think everyone just hit the deck when he started. A .45 is a very noisy gun. Probably just shocked the entire crowd, and nobody dared to expose themselves to stop him.
Anyone who has an index finger than throw an awful lot of bullets around with one lone of those. Once in your hand, they are very easy to shoot, and shoot a lot. And I can reload an ACP pretty fast. All it takes is practice.
I think everyone just hit the deck when he started. A .45 is a very noisy gun. Probably just shocked the entire crowd, and nobody dared to expose themselves to stop him.
What was the age breakdown of those attending the prayer meeting?
Zaac
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CTB, they ranged in age from 26 to 87.
The victims are:
The Rev. Clementa Pinckney, 41: A state senator and the senior pastor of Emanuel, he was married to Jennifer Benjamin and the father of two children, Eliana and Malana. He was a 1995 graduate of Allen University and got his master's degree at the University of South Carolina in 1999. He served in the state Legislature starting in 2000; The Post and Courier says black fabric was draped over Pinckney's Senate chamber seat on Thursday.
Cynthia Hurd, 54: According to the Charleston County Public Library, she was a 31-year employee who managed the John L. Dart Library for 21 years before heading the St. Andrews Regional Library. A statement said Hurd "dedicated her life to serving and improving the lives of others." The system closed its 16 branches Thursday to honor Hurd and the others who died in the shooting. County officials also say the St. Andrews library will be named for Hurd.
The Rev. Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45: A pastor at Emanuel, she was also a speech therapist and high school girls track and field coach, both positions at Goose Creek High School, according to her LinkedIn page. Jimmy Huskey, the school's principal, called her "a true professional ... [who] cared about her students and was an advocate for them." Her son, Chris Singleton, is a baseball player and student at Charleston Southern University. Coleman-Singleton also had two younger children, writes the Post and Courier.
Tywanza Sanders, 26: He was a 2014 graduate in business administration from Allen University in Columbia. Lady June Cole, the interim president of Allen University, described him as "a quiet, well-known student who was committed to his education." Known as Ty, he had worked in sales at department stores such as Belk and Macy's.
Ethel Lance, 70: She had attended Emanuel for most of her life and worked there as a custodian, as well. From 1968 to 2002, she worked as a custodian at Charleston's Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. The Post and Courier quotes a former colleague as saying, "She was funny and a pleasure to be around. And she was a wonderful mother and grandmother."
Susie Jackson, 87: Lance's cousin, she was a longtime church member.
Depayne Middleton Doctor, 49: The mother of four sang in Emanuel's choir. She had previously directed a community development program in Charleston County. In December, she started a new job as an admissions coordinator at the Charleston campus of her alma mater, Southern Wesleyan University. SWU President Todd Voss said: "Always a warm and enthusiastic leader, DePayne truly believed in the mission of SWU to help students achieve their potential by connecting faith with learning. Our prayers go out to family and friends. This is a great loss for our students and the Charleston region."
The Rev. Daniel Simmons, 74: Simmons survived the initial attack but then died in a hospital operating room. He had previously been a pastor at another church in the Charleston area.
Myra Thompson, 59: She was the wife of the Rev. Anthony Thompson, the vicar of Holy Trinity Reformed Episcopal Church in Charleston.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-were-slain-at-charlestons-emanuel-ame-church
"...Roof, 21, told the police in Shelby, N.C. who arrested him Thursday that he wanted to spark a race war - but he nearly backed out because "everyone was so nice to him," NBC News reported Friday...."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ston-church-shooting-report-article-1.2263668
They'll definitely have to keep him segregated from general population in prison.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ston-church-shooting-report-article-1.2263668
They'll definitely have to keep him segregated from general population in prison.
Zaac
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Just think if his spirit had been watered with that type of love instead of the right winged propaganda?
poncho
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Still stuck in the old leftie vs rightie rut huh Zaac?
For a minute there I almost thought you could see beyond all that divide and conquer pablum.
Guess I was wrong.
Just think if your spirit was watered with love for the brethren instead of posting all the troll trash that you do.
Just think how much better the discussions on the BB would be if everyone exhibited the tolerance as that shown between SC justices Ginsburg and Scalia. They are very good friends, who talk, joke and socialize together while at the same time they do not on much of anything when it comes to law and the Constitution.
Zaac
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Not really poncho. I completely agree with you on that construct and that it's just smoke and mirrors and two sides of the same coin.
But not everybody gets that. And I think Dylann Roof is one of those who didn't , so he bought the rhetoric of the one side the way so many on this board do.
Maybe we should pray for each other today and for ourselves.
The nice thing about being a lefty like Zaac is that you get to pretend history doesn't exist.
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery. The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.
Fact: During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and rights.
Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen by Lincoln as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for close to a century.
Fact: The 14th Amendment, giving full citizenship to freed slaves, passed in 1868 with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The 15th Amendment, giving freed slaves the right to vote, passed in 1870 with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.
Fact: The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party. Its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and "ni**er-loving" (their words) Republicans who sympathized with them.
Fact: In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.
Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.
Fact: Contrary to popular misconception, the parties never "switched" on racism. The Democrats just switched from overt racism to a subversive strategy of getting blacks as dependent as possible on government to secure their votes. At the same time, they began a cynical smear campaign to label anyone who opposes their devious strategy as greedy racists.
History. So inconvenient for low information lazy researchers like poor deluded Zaac.
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery. The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.
Fact: During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and rights.
Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen by Lincoln as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for close to a century.
Fact: The 14th Amendment, giving full citizenship to freed slaves, passed in 1868 with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The 15th Amendment, giving freed slaves the right to vote, passed in 1870 with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.
Fact: The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party. Its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and "ni**er-loving" (their words) Republicans who sympathized with them.
Fact: In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.
Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.
Fact: Contrary to popular misconception, the parties never "switched" on racism. The Democrats just switched from overt racism to a subversive strategy of getting blacks as dependent as possible on government to secure their votes. At the same time, they began a cynical smear campaign to label anyone who opposes their devious strategy as greedy racists.
History. So inconvenient for low information lazy researchers like poor deluded Zaac.
I have to agree with Zaac. Roof bought into the vile racism of the Democrat party. How sad.
Zaac
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What you reposting this for? :laugh: As I said to the same post, nice attempt to reframe history. But everybody who is being honest and can see through your attempt to mislead already knows that the racist white Democrats left the party and went to the GOP when all the Blacks started joining the Democrat Party.
Weak attempt to cover the truth with your "common misconception"
That's just a very vain attempt to cover the truth that undoes all the other things you claimed as fact in TRYING to make a point.
poncho
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So who's rhetoric are you buying?
Be careful now Rolf your inner conspiracy theorist is tying to bust out. :smilewinkgrin:
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Because you seem to have missed it the first time. The Democrats are still the party of racism and slavery. Only today it is welfare slavery that buys votes to keep the corrupt politicians in office.
I agree, my brother
Not exacatlly correct. It was President Harry Truman ( a Democrat) who intergrated the US Armed forces
I would like to mention one other thing.
The post I quoted also mentioned the Amendments -
It seems as though- that the former CSA were reqired to appove some of the Amendment to rejoin the Union -
Even though According to Lincoln - they were still part of the Union.
But here is an interesting fact, some States/Commonwelths actually rejected the 13th Amendment. AND Two States and one Commowealth did not ratify the 13th Amendment until the 20th Century!!!