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[Revmitchell]

Yep - and they see the screaming hypocrisy if I were to vote for a candidate that feels murdering a child minutes before it's born is OK.

Or at any time during the pregnancy

 

[Salty]

I would agree completely with that. But given Trump's prise of Planned Parenthood he fails to get a pro life pass with me which is why I will vote for either.

Let me ask you a direct question!
If you were doing a prayer walk around Planned Parenthood - and then had a heart attack - And then a Dr from PP came out, assisted you and saved your life.
Wouldnt your husband want to praise the PP dr?

Bottom line - PP does SOME good things - so give credit where credit is due.

Let me give this example - Many years ago I ran for state assembly - According to the Conservative Party, my opponent voted conservative only 5% of the time on 20 selected issues.
Now,on the other hand my opponent had push thru a proposed bill that would benefit members of the New York Guard.
So even if I disagree with Bill 90% of the time (which includes his being pro-abortion) - I will give him credit where credit is due - which includes assisting the military.

 

[HankD]

Hank that you don't understand that any Christian voting for Trump has thrown away his witness is not my fault either.

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So say you.

HankD

 

[TCassidy]

they can use your argument as justification to try their best to stop Trump from being elected.

You seem to have overlooked the fact this race is binary. Either Clinton or Trump will be President Elect Wednesday. Refusing to choose is still a choice. Just because it is not easy does not mean it is okay to abdicate our responsibility to do all in our power to stop the slaughter of innocents.

 

[HankD]

It's too late. Judgment isn't coming. It's already here and has been here. We are already under the judgment of God.

That's why the ONLY two people who can will the election tomorrow are people of no moral substance.

We are getting what we deserve and have asked for by our ravenous cravings as a nation for all that is base, vile, upholding of lies from the Father of Lies, perverted, and wicked.

Scarlett, Can you name one president that had not sinned?

HankD

 

[Zaac]

And none of the other choices on my ballot are worthy of my vote either.

Then write someone in.

One of the two major candidates are going to get into the White House and I very strongly feel that if we have another Clinton presidency, my religious freedoms and my church's ability to follow the Bible will be severely affected. I will fight against that.

God hasn't commissioned you to do that. You're basically saying you're voting a certain way because you're scared something is going to happen. What good is your religious freedom if no one is gonna receive what you say because you've compromised your witness?

No, it also sits in the Supreme Court and the laws of our country.

Are you writing in the Supreme Court as the entity for which you are casting a vote for PResident? Unless you are, the lost is still looking at the WHO.

Yep - and they see the screaming hypocrisy if I were to vote for a candidate that feels murdering a child minutes before it's born is OK.

Now who told you to vote for her? Like I said, you seem to think you've got to vote for one of the two primary party candidates. That's on you. You can choose to vote for neither.

 

[Zaac]

So say you.

HankD

And so sayeth a whole lot of lost people.

 

[TCassidy]

Cause I didn't see it anywhere last time I had looked.

This explains a lot. You have ignored the actual campaign and just hated the man on general principles?

"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to protect the rights of its citizens. Life is the most fundamental right. The federal government should not diminish this right by denying its’ protection. I am opposed to abortion except for rape, incest and life of the mother. I oppose the use of government funds to pay for abortions." Donald Trump September 16, 2016

“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Scarlett, Can you name one president that had not sinned?

HankD

No, I cannot. And I have already gone on record as saying I am voting for Trump.

I was just trying to help John understand that the judgment of God is already here.

While I've not known any president in my lifetime or the in study of the past to be the epitome of sinless virtue, I have never seen two candidates who openly display [before an election] the two primary perversions of our nation like Trump and Hillary do.

 

[JonC]

You seem to have overlooked the fact this race is binary. Either Clinton or Trump will be President Elect Wednesday. Refusing to choose is still a choice. Just because it is not easy does not mean it is okay to abdicate our responsibility to do all in our power to stop the slaughter of innocents.

The race may indeed be binary, but the manner in which a believer uses his or her vote to impact the future is not. Refusing to choose one of the two is, I grant, a choice. But it is not a choice for either of the two. Nor is it a choice not to voice one's position. This board is proof of that. One member even provided the number of Christians who did not vote in the last election (he provided a percentage). His intent was to say something about those believers, but it also says something about the two binary choices that are out there. As long as we insist on voting between two choices, the election will always be binary. A third party cannot exist as long as we are comfortable with what has become the status quo.

In other words, we do not have a Christian responsibility to defend the unborn at all costs. We do not have a Christian responsibility to defend the institution of marriage at all cost. We don't have the responsibility to feed the poor at all costs. We don't have the responsibility to oppose sexual immorality at all costs. I voted for Trump because I do not believe that the GOP platform is at the point where my support of it is evil. But that's my decision, my conscious. I do think that there will come a day when both platforms may be evil, and if that time comes then I will register to vote (so the potential is visible) but will refrain from participating in a binary choice.

We are to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, but we need not give to him what is God's.

 

[JonC]

You may be right. I sure do hope Trump wins tomorrow so God will postpone the judgment.

I hope so as well (although having a nation founded on Christian values being run by such a person may be a judgment in itself).

 

[HankD]

And so sayeth a whole lot of lost people.

OH I agree.

HankD

 

[HankD]

No, I cannot. And I have already gone on record as saying I am voting for Trump.

I was just trying to help John understand that the judgment of God is already here.

While I've not known any president in my lifetime or the in study of the past to be the epitome of sinless virtue, I have never seen two candidates who openly display [before an election] the two primary perversions of our nation like Trump and Hillary do.

Agreed. At least one president who I thought was a man of morals gravely disappointed me when I found out differently. My hero JFK (I was in the military when he was president, everyone loved him). It was a sad day (well more than a day) when I discovered his hidden life which was made public. At first I didn't want to believe it, but alas...

Yes, I am voting for the lesser of two evils (IMO) - The Donald.

HankD

 

[annsni]

Then write someone in.

I might as well not vote.

God hasn't commissioned you to do that. You're basically saying you're voting a certain way because you're scared something is going to happen. What good is your religious freedom if no one is gonna receive what you say because you've compromised your witness?

I've compromised nothing.

 

[InTheLight]

This explains a lot. You have ignored the actual campaign and just hated the man on general principles?

"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to protect the rights of its citizens. Life is the most fundamental right. The federal government should not diminish this right by denying its’ protection. I am opposed to abortion except for rape, incest and life of the mother. I oppose the use of government funds to pay for abortions." Donald Trump September 16, 2016

“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

Yep, he's given anti-abortion some lip service a couple of times during the campaign. Have you heard a word about it since the third debate? Why isn't it on his website?

 

[TCassidy]

How many times does he have to say it before you are satisfied?

 

[Salty]

How many times does he have to say it before you are satisfied?

70 x 7 ???

 

[TCassidy]

A third party cannot exist as long as we are comfortable with what has become the status quo.

Earth to Jon. Earth to Jon. The election is tomorrow! There is no 3rd party contender. None. Nada. Zip. Zero. We have to live in the real world. It is not the best of all possible worlds but it is what we have to deal with. Right now there are two choices: Clinton or Trump.

In other words, we do not have a Christian responsibility to defend the unborn at all costs.

I never said we did.

We do not have a Christian responsibility to defend the institution of marriage at all cost.

I never said we did.

We don't have the responsibility to feed the poor at all costs.

I never said we did.

We don't have the responsibility to oppose sexual immorality at all costs.

I never said we did.

Jon, once again you have demonstrated a troubling lack of focus on the issue. You bring up points that have nothing at all to do with the discussion.

The point was, as still is, on Wednesday either Clinton or Trump will be President Elect. Those are the only two viable choices. Nobody else can win this. That is the reality of the situation.

When we weigh the positives and negatives of Trump we get a lot of negatives and a few positives.

When we weigh the positives and negatives of Clinton we get a lot more negative and virtually no positives.

The choice seems clear. "Choose you this day whom you will serve." And to paraphrase, "Choose you this day whom you will saddle America with for at least the next 4 years."

 

[JonC]

Earth to Jon. Earth to Jon. The election is tomorrow! There is no 3rd party contender. None. Nada. Zip. Zero. We have to live in the real world. It is not the best of all possible worlds but it is what we have to deal with. Right now there are two choices: Clinton or Trump.

I never said we did.

I never said we did.

I never said we did.

I never said we did.

Jon, once again you have demonstrated a troubling lack of focus on the issue. You bring up points that have nothing at all to do with the discussion.

The point was, as still is, on Wednesday either Clinton or Trump will be President Elect. Those are the only two viable choices. Nobody else can win this. That is the reality of the situation.

When we weigh the positives and negatives of Trump we get a lot of negatives and a few positives.

When we weigh the positives and negatives of Clinton we get a lot more negative and virtually no positives.

The choice seems clear. "Choose you this day whom you will serve." And to paraphrase, "Choose you this day whom you will saddle America with for at least the next 4 years."

The point is that Christians should not cast a vote that they believe opposed to God simply for the reason it opposes what they believe to be a greater evil. My other point is that a vote uncast is not a vote unheard. We have seen stats on voter attendance (and lack of attendance) so that line of "reasoning" is flawed. I am not talking about winning this election (and I know the consequences of appointing justices), but of faithfully stand for God regardless of what we think those consequences may be. I am saying that the next election (assuming we survive as a nation to see another) will consider those uncast votes.

That said, I do not think we are there yet. I don't like Trump, but he is who was chosen to represent that platform. I voted for Trump. I simply do not think that, if and when the time comes, a Christian should actively support evil in an attempt to control the direction of a nation.

 

[TCassidy]

The point is that Christians should not cast a vote that they believe opposed to God simply for the reason it opposes what they believe to be a greater evil.

That begs the question. Can God lead a voter to vote for Trump and another to vote against Trump? Can God lead in opposite directions at the same time?

I simply do not think that, if and when the time comes, a Christian should actively support evil in an attempt to control the direction of a nation.

And nobody has suggested we should support evil.