Hundreds of eyewitnesses saw a plane plow into the Pentagon. They didn't look at the hole in the wall, they SAW A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.
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DESPICABLE: Look what universities are now teaching about 9-11
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Hundreds of eyewitnesses saw a plane plow into the Pentagon. They didn't look at the hole in the wall, they SAW A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON.
OK, I am done here, at least with you. I'm not going to pound the allcaps back at you. Hopefully someone will respond meaningfully to the points we truthers raised.
For me those really important ones would be:
1. Lack of photographic evidence of Pentagon plane
2. Anomalous WTC 7 collapse
3. Physical improbabilities of barely trained pilots to achieve incredible flight trajectories
4. Dearth of evidence at the Shanksville crash.
There are plenty more. But these stand out.
But it may be futile to bring these up since most of the responses here are in allcaps, or resorting to name calling and innuendos of being anti-American.
For me those really important ones would be:
1. Lack of photographic evidence of Pentagon plane
2. Anomalous WTC 7 collapse
3. Physical improbabilities of barely trained pilots to achieve incredible flight trajectories
4. Dearth of evidence at the Shanksville crash.
There are plenty more. But these stand out.
But it may be futile to bring these up since most of the responses here are in allcaps, or resorting to name calling and innuendos of being anti-American.
You're done because you can't refute the eyewitnesses that saw a plane hit the Pentagon.
I've dealt with truthers before. Your arguments are nothing more than a bunch of leading questions laden with innuendo.
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What is more reliable, alleged testimony of some vague "hundreds of eyewitnesses" or photographic proof? (Rather, lack of it) Believe me, if there really was a plane there would have been clear photos of that plane. If not hitting the building then at least after it hit. It just left a circular hole. An impossibility.
But if you are OK with that...
Still no response on the actual points I raised. Not that I am surprised.
Tell me how I should have taken your comment. Be straightforward. What does my not being in America have to do with my comments on this topic?
If the plane did not actually hit the Pentagon or the WTC (take your pic) then what happened to those people?
Do truthers really believe the 9/11 commission, the CIA, FBI, FAA, FEMA, The National Institute of Standards and Technology, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, (and) the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.were all in on the conspiracy?
As someone else (on the internet has asked) If the Bush Administration was actually behind 9/11, how do you explain the fact that they didn't fake discovering weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? After all, if they were so corrupt that they'd be willing to kill 3000 Americans, surely they wouldn't have any qualms about planting a few WMDs in Iraq.?
If the Bush Administration was really behind 9/11, then surely the Obama Administration must be aware of it by now and they'd have every incentive to reveal it in order to damage the Republican Party. Why haven't they done it? Are they in on it, too?
Do truthers really believe the 9/11 commission, the CIA, FBI, FAA, FEMA, The National Institute of Standards and Technology, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, (and) the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.were all in on the conspiracy?
As someone else (on the internet has asked) If the Bush Administration was actually behind 9/11, how do you explain the fact that they didn't fake discovering weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? After all, if they were so corrupt that they'd be willing to kill 3000 Americans, surely they wouldn't have any qualms about planting a few WMDs in Iraq.?
If the Bush Administration was really behind 9/11, then surely the Obama Administration must be aware of it by now and they'd have every incentive to reveal it in order to damage the Republican Party. Why haven't they done it? Are they in on it, too?
"The first day, we were in NYC. We went to the architecture firm that built the WTC, and we got to study and analyze the actual original blueprints. And I questioned one of the older partners -- 'I've seen all these documentaries, I know you designed this building to withstand an airplane hitting it.' He was very patient with me. 'Charlie, it was designed to take an empty airliner, circling in the air, maybe hits it at 150 knots. No architect can make a [building] stop a fully-loaded airliner going near the speed of sound.' And then the next day, we met this demolitions expert who explained to us in no uncertain terms how much equipment, machinery it would take to demolish a building like the WTC. The next day, we went to a flight school in NJ and found out just how easy it is to control an aircraft."
http://www.cracked.com/personal-exp...rofessional-911-truther-and-i-gave-it-up.html
For Charlie, the worst moment was meeting Alice Hoagland, whose son, Mark Bingham, perished aboard Flight 93.
"I cracked and broke down in tears. It was the true human emotion of a mother who lost her kid that changed me. The others believed it was a fake recording and that she was in on it. It was the monstrous ugliness of the other theorists which set me on edge. I'm made to believe they're all a part of the 10,000-man-strong Illuminati? I said to the producers on day five, 'I've changed my mind.'"
http://www.cracked.com/personal-exp...rofessional-911-truther-and-i-gave-it-up.html
"I cracked and broke down in tears. It was the true human emotion of a mother who lost her kid that changed me. The others believed it was a fake recording and that she was in on it. It was the monstrous ugliness of the other theorists which set me on edge. I'm made to believe they're all a part of the 10,000-man-strong Illuminati? I said to the producers on day five, 'I've changed my mind.'"
http://www.cracked.com/personal-exp...rofessional-911-truther-and-i-gave-it-up.html
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Oh please. This is evidence? Such obviously slanted perspective, not even pretending to be objective.
Anecdotal and mere appeal to emotions. I guess that ranks high with you.
I see you didn't really read it. the person involved at the time was a truther.
Unlike the other two posts there are actually good questions here. But I am away from my laptop, but plan to answer these more in detail tomorrow. Too much to thumb type.
Someone who's loved one was killed on that plane is fact. The emotions were about the very real loss suffered by that person. There is nothing "mere" about it. What ranks high with me is responding after having actually read it all.
No. I read it. Yes, he said he was truther. Try using some discernment.
Hmm. Truther. Never thought I'd live to see the day when truth was a slur word.
So you say but your post does not reflect that. Either you did not really read it or you are to busy defending your very weak position at all costs.
Yes, someone killed by an evil entity is truly tragic. Shall we discuss how many innocent civilians have been killed by American drone missions ? All of this started from that false flag of 9/11 .
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I think it is valid to depict the 9/11 terrorists as "monsters." The carefully planned murder of thousands of people just gong about their jobs is indeed monstrous. That is why identifying the perpetrators - perpeTRAITORS - is paramount.
Even if bin Laden & al Qaeda were guilty, the revenge exacted against whole countries, killing millions & destroying homes & infrastructure is also monstrous. Again the victims were people just going about their jobs, and with absolutely no guilt with respect to 9/11.
Responding to precisely focused terrorism with massive random terrorism is not a vald response for a supposedly civilized country concerned to spread democracy.
I don't know where your circular hole idea comes from. The photos of the Pentagon certainly do not show a circular hole.
Here is a photo of the plane just before it hit the Pentagon.
Here are pieces of the plane after hitting the Pentagon.
Here is a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. You have to watch carefully as the plane is visible for no more than a tenth of a second.
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