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Trump Republicans Most Likely Don't Go to Church

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  1. InTheLight

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    Over the past decade, pollsters charted something remarkable: Americans—long known for their piety—were fleeing organized religion in increasing numbers. The vast majority still believed in God. But the share that rejected any religious affiliation was growing fast, rising from 6 percent in 1992 to 22 percent in 2014. Among Millennials, the figure was 35 percent.

    When pundits describe the Americans who sleep in on Sundays, they often conjure left-leaning hipsters. But religious attendance is down among Republicans, too. According to data assembled for me by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), the percentage of white Republicans with no religious affiliation has nearly tripled since 1990. This shift helped Trump win the GOP nomination.

    During the campaign, commentators had a hard time reconciling Trump’s apparent ignorance of Christianity and his history of pro-choice and pro-gay-rights statements with his support from evangelicals. But as Notre Dame’s Geoffrey Layman noted, “Trump does best among evangelicals with one key trait: They don’t really go to church.”

    A Pew Research Center poll last March found that Trump trailed Ted Cruz by 15 points among Republicans who attended religious services every week. But he led Cruz by a whopping 27 points among those who did not.

    America’s Empty-Church Problem

    (Yes, I know that The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication, but the poll numbers are valid data points.)
     
    #1 InTheLight, Mar 20, 2017
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    The social conservatives as a whole are shrinking. More and more of the party are fiscal conservative/social liberals.
     
    #2 Rob_BW, Mar 20, 2017
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    I do not think there is anything surprising in the OP. I am not sure it has much meaning one way or another.

     
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    So you think the fact that the evangelicals that helped to elect Trump probably don't go to church is not newsworthy? It does dovetail nicely with the fact that Trump is a hypocrite.

    I remember way back in January 2016 I predicted that Cruz would beat Trump in Iowa, for the very reason that Iowa has conservative evangelicals. But with this new info, that whole paradigm might be out the window, meaning that any Republican has a shot at winning Iowa. That's huge.
     
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    That is not a fact. It comes from one man's speculation, not the poll. From your OP:
     
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    Guess you just glided over this:

    A Pew Research Center poll last March found that Trump trailed Ted Cruz by 15 points among Republicans who attended religious services every week. But he led Cruz by a whopping 27 points among those who did not.
     
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    You said:
    But your poll statement does not mention evangelicals:
     
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    Nor particularly surprised. Check church rolls against how many 'members' actually come to church. Usually there is a huge gap between the two. Also, many Trump supporters never attend church. I am sure that is true of Clinton supporters as well. However, it has been widely reported that Trump supporters as a group are not as educated as Clinton supporters. That does not mean that all Trump supporters are not educated nor does it mean that all Clinton supporters are educated.

    Three links:

    Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump
    Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump

    Education Level Emerges as Sharp Dividing Line in Clinton-Trump Race
    Education Level Emerges as Sharp Dividing Line in Clinton-Trump Race

    Why Does Education Translate to Less Support for Donald Trump?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/...te-to-less-support-for-donald-trump.html?_r=0
     
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    You said:

    But your poll statement is about every-week church attendance:

     
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    #10 InTheLight, Mar 20, 2017
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    What a strange chart. Trump vs. "Cruz/Carson" vs. a group of five?

    Your stark statement does not accurately represent the polling data, manipulated or not:
     
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    Only hyperactive pedants like you will dispute the findings. You must be a very pleasant fellow to be around.
     
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    I'm gonna need to see the data extended out to daily and hourly before I make any final comment.
    :Geek
     
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    Here is the complete report of the poll referenced in the OP:

    Pew Research Center

    (Complete Report pdf at right side of page)
     
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    Ummm...no, it's not. Here is the poll by Pew Research listed in the OP:

    “Nones” on the Rise
     
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    We live in a post-Christian society. Like ancient Israel and Judah we have a societal culture of religious affiliation without any true relationship with God. Like the Pharisees we have whitewashed walls and blackened shells inside.
     
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    I grew up and have attended SBC churches all my life. I am a Trump Republican. I will admit that I attend Church begrudgingly. Too much church politics, power struggles, and social club mentality have quelled my love for organized church. I now much prefer small group Bible studies held away from "the steeple." The churches have to wake up, become salt and light, and quit playing social club games; or they will continue their slow fade.
     
    #19 Reynolds, Mar 22, 2017
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    How right you are Reynolds! I've been attending church(s) since 1972 and just recently resigned membership with the last one. I'll never join another church! Over the years I've witnessed some of the most God-Awful nonsense coming from those with the money to those who knock their ring(s) on the table. Cheap politics that totally and completely stifle the work of God. Our last pastor is a one-man band and only the elite could contribute. I heard it said once that people leave church so they can get closer to God. In a way, I can believe that! Yes, we intend to visit other churches in the community but join another one..., nope! Ain't gonna happen!
     
    #20 HAMel, Mar 22, 2017
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