All There Is About Parousia

So what? Genea may have shades of meaning depending on context, & these meanings derive from the etymology - it's not a good example of polysemous. You could try cleave - asunder or to one's spouse. As Kyredneck says, your choice of meanings is more derived from your presuppositions than the general meaning of the words.

As for parousia, the meanings are closely related - when Jesus comes he has arrived & is present. The way the word is used, in its context, has resulted in doctrine being developed.

Words have their meaning, sometimes shades of meaning, but the context must be the first consideration, rather than one's theology.

 

Covenanter, JoJ may have you on ignore as he does me. I suspect his ignore list may be growing.

 

Because THIS thread is on parousia, then it is really irrelevant to bring in other contentions.

However, it is commendable to see others such as seen on this thread understand and agree that parousia as used in Scriptures must be the literal physical presence.

That is good.

 

So you agree with Covenanter that parousia, as used in Scripture, is always that of physical presence?

 

As Jesus is literally physically present when his people are gathered in his name ?

 

Is he?

 

If that's what Covenanter believes, absolutely not.

 

Didn't you notice my literal, physical question mark ?????

His presence with us is certainly real, literally real spiritual presence. But not physical. And he doesn't leave his dead physical body in heaven to be with us spiritually with us wherever we are - in gatherings or solitary imprisonment.

 

What do we read in church?

 

Kyredneck pointed out that this was a topic before. Logos1 explanation is "in like manner" of what Im getting at with out being so crafty.

 

Agreed.

HankD

 

He said,

(Bold emphasis added).

 

You've totally got it wrong. He clarified in post 107. So drop it.

 

Just pointing out that you agreed with what now you disagree.

The basic question being that never in Scripture parousia used unless it includes the physical presence.

 

Where? Direct me to it please.

 

Thought you wanted me to drop it?

 

Old man, if you're gonna keep on repeating something concerning me that is false I want you to prove it.

Drop it or prove it.

 

Ill leave that up to asterisktom to answer, I do not know the exact manner in which he sees it.

My position? enlighten me on what that is.

 

Saved by grace through faith in Christ alone - hallelujah!!
And looking to serve him now & be with him in glory.