Bulletproof glass protecting city store clerks may have to come down — over ‘indignity’ to customers

[Reynolds]

Oh well that is a new standard you have presented. Before it was just that they acted like they didn't trust you. Same could be said of store clerks who carry guns, use security or cameras.

You can say anything about anybody. You make security measures as invisible and unobtrusive as possible.

 

[TCassidy]

None at all. The arms are only used when criminal behavior is observed. The glass is used on everyone.

Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Don't you trust all your neighbors and the random strangers who visit by night? Why do you, by locking your doors, treat them all like criminals?

 

[TCassidy]

You make security measures as invisible and unobtrusive as possible.

I disagree. In fact the exact opposite is true. Look at the 4 "D"s of Physical Security:

D - Deter

D - Detect

D -Delay

D - Defeat

Notice the first one. "Deter." We put up very visible fences to deter criminals. If they get past the fence we put up highly visible CCTV cameras to observe and record their actions. If we have security persons they are visibly uniformed, and in many cases, visibly armed. We put up signs that read "These Premises Protected by CCTV" or "These Premises Protected by Armed Security Officers."

If the visible measures are successful we don't have to use the last three, which include seeing, slowing, and using deadly force.

Criminals like soft targets. By making the target as visibly hard as possible, the criminals will go down the street to the store that "doesn't want to hurt your feelings."

 

[Reynolds]

Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Don't you trust all your neighbors and the random strangers who visit by night? Why do you, by locking your doors, treat them all like criminals?

My house is not a store open for business.my home is not accepting money from people. I don't want uninvited people coming to my home.

 

[Reynolds]

I disagree. In fact the exact opposite is true. Look at the 4 "D"s of Physical Security:

D - Deter

D - Detect

D -Delay

D - Defeat

Notice the first one. "Deter." We put up very visible fences to deter criminals. If they get past the fence we put up highly visible CCTV cameras to observe and record their actions. If we have security persons they are visibly uniformed, and in many cases, visibly armed. We put up signs that read "These Premises Protected by CCTV" or "These Premises Protected by Armed Security Officers."

If the visible measures are successful we don't have to use the last three, which include seeing, slowing, and using deadly force.

Criminals like soft targets. By making the target as visibly hard as possible, the criminals will go down the street to the store that "doesn't want to hurt your feelings."

Are you talking about warehouses or store fronts? Huge difference.

 

[InTheLight]

This is just more government regulation. If the stores want to have bulletproof glass, it's their business (literally.) I don't see how the government has an interest in this issue.

Along those same lines, if customers don't like bulletproof glass, then they don't need to shop at stores that use it.

Let the market figure it out.

 

[TCassidy]

Are you talking about warehouses or store fronts? Huge difference.

I am talking about security. All security.

 

[Reynolds]

Its di

I am talking about security. All security.

Security is different. You don't protect a celebrity on a book signing tour the same way you protect Fort Know. Some cases have to balance security against public perception.

 

[Salty]

I will trade with a store that At least acts like they trust me.

So when a cop stops you- and he is treating you like a common criminal - by having his hand by his firearm - and checking out the backseat, ect.
Do that mean you will not deal with him?

BTW, I take it you have never work as a clerk in a C-Store.

But my major complain is that the goverment is interfering with a business.
As President Reagan stated:

 

[Reynolds]

So when a cop stops you- and he is treating you like a common criminal - by having his hand by his firearm - and checking out the backseat, ect.
Do that mean you will not deal with him?

BTW, I take it you have never work as a clerk in a C-Store.

But my major complain is that the goverment is interfering with a business.
As President Reagan stated:

I don't support a law, I sympathize with her opinion. I have worked in a convenience store. I would not buy anything the cop was selling. You would just have to know me. I am odd. I spent $500 earlier this year to get a $68 ticket dismissed.

 

[Salty]

... I spent $500 earlier this year to get a $68 ticket dismissed.

(this is off OP) Dont blame you - that ticket could also raise your auto insurance, and possibly have other ratifications.

 

[Salty]

bill headed through Philadelphia City Hall would force businesses to remove bulletproof glass protecting employees inside stores.

What’s the reasoning here?

• Councilwoman Cindy Bass — a Democrat who offered the bill — told WTXF-TV she’s concerned about shoppers’ feelings.
• “We want to make sure that there isn’t this sort of indignity, in my opinion, to serving food through a plexiglass only in certain neighborhoods,” Bass told the station. ...s

• (Bold, my emphasis)

We need to stop worrying about people so much.

Suppose a cop stopped making arrests because he was hurting the feelings of citizens!