How Did the Fall of Adam Affect the Lord Jesus?

Darrell C · Feb 27, 2018

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We are at enmity against God, in a state of being rebels against Him, as our flesh/nature does not seek to please and serve him, but to please and serve ourselves!
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Scripture?

God bless.

Yeshua1 · Feb 27, 2018

Darrell C said: ↑

Scripture?

God bless.
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Romans 7:21, as the natural person would always find themselves in this stae, while the redeemed are in that state, but now have the indwelling Spirit to give them means to overcome...

Darrell C · Feb 27, 2018

Yeshua1 said: ↑

We are at enmity against God, in a state of being rebels against Him, as our flesh/nature does not seek to please and serve him, but to please and serve ourselves!

Darrell C said: ↑

Scripture?
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Yeshua1 said: ↑

Romans 7:21, as the natural person would always find themselves in this stae, while the redeemed are in that state, but now have the indwelling Spirit to give them means to overcome...
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Romans 7
King James Version (KJV)

7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

First, we are not under Law.

Secondly, we see numerous men and women who pleased God, even though they were enemies. Abraham, for example, is not excluded from those mentioned here:

Romans 5:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:10
King James Version (KJV)

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Adam was a sinner also. He sinned, and brought about drastic conditions under which men live. Despite his sin, God covered his sin, and this through an animal or animals dying.

Third, and lastly, good job! Providing a Scriptural reference, that is. Now, if you would just go to biblegateway and actually place the Scripture in your posts you will be one more step towards being an effective witness of the Gospel.

God bless.

Squire Robertsson · Feb 27, 2018

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percho · Feb 27, 2018

A. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

B. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

C. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Did B apply to A at the very moment A was completed.

Darrell C said: ↑

That's actually a complicated question, because we have two deaths we must be aware of in Scripture: physical, and spiritual.

In large part physical death is the primary penalty for Adam's sin. He lost access to the Tree of Life, which we presume contributed to continued physical existence (it never has nor ever will bestow eternal life, only God can do that through immersing believers into Himself). If you look at the Law, the penalty was physical death, not spiritual. If you look at the provision of vicarious death (animal sacrifice), all that granted was extended physical life.

Secondly, I don't think we can attribute full power of death to Satan, but rather he is a cause of death in man, because just as he caused Adam to sin (and therefore die), his intent is to destroy men whenever he can. God is Sovereign, and that means over both life and death (as seen in the example of Job, Satan was forbidden to kill him (physically)).

Third, in regards to spiritual death, or, Eternal Judgment, the basis of punishment is not because we descend from Adam, but because we...sin. Every man will be judged according to the sin he commits, as shown in passages such as Ezekiel 18 (which is a physical context), Hebrews 10:26-28, and 2 Peter 2.

So the death in view would first be physical death. That this extends to eternal judgment can be seen, but I don't think we can dogmatically assert that everyone put to death in violation of the Law will undergo Eternal Separation, because even among Christians today the (physical) death penalty still exists. God can take the life of a Christian who is unrepentant in sin. This is seen in Ananias and Sapphira (and of course this applies assuming they were born again believers) and those who died because of partaking of Communion unworthily.

Show me where Satan "was in the Garden" when God created it.

What we are told is that it was the Serpent, and based on New Testament revelation we know that it was Satan behind what took place. I look at this as more of an instance of possession rather than the serpent was actually Satan, or at least, think that is more likely (because the serpent is cursed). Secondly, I think we also consider the fact that Satan is said in a couple places to be one who roams the earth, which means Satan was a visitor to the Garden for his evil purpose, not a resident.

I think it a mistake to consider Satan as being part of Creation. There is no mention of Angels being part of Creation, other than as observers.

God didn't need to test Adam, He knew he would sin, and this before He even created the heavens and the earth.

Angels and demons are spirits, not gods, not men. The heavens and the earth were created for man, not Angels. Hell was created for Satan and his demons, and we cannot say for sure when that took place, but, it likely took place prior to the creation of the heavens and the earth.

From a perspective dealing with man, perhaps. From a perspective dealing with fallen Angels, not really. God could have destroyed Satan and his cohorts at any time, and still can. Apparently they serve a purpose for now, but we can look at the Millennial Kingdom to see that Satan need not be on earth in order for man to sin. It might be viewed as similar to boot camp, which has obstacle courses, physical training, and drill instructors (who I am sure more than a few have likened to demons, lol).

But again, God knew in advance that Adam would sin, and that death would come to all men, and that men would need to be reconciled to Himself. I think Reconciliation will place man in a higher state than Adam was when he was created, because God immerses believers in Himself, and will give them bodies suited to everlasting existence, which Adam was not created with. At least, that is how I see it. If Adam had not sinned, it is likely he would have continued to live forever, having access to the Tree of Life. But God knew that the result of man falling and being reconciled to Himself would produce a creation far greater than that originally designed.

That is the Body of Christ, the Church.

God bless.
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Would Christ even have been necessary had Adam not broken the law of not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Would righteousness not have just come by the law?

Would the obedience of the one man Adam have brought righteousness and life for the many and or all? See Romans 5:18,19

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