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Kanye just dropped the 'Republicans freed the slaves' bomb...

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Calminian, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. FollowTheWay

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    I'm still waiting for the Republican party to do much of anything about abortion. You have the majority on the Supreme Court now. I haven't heard about any effort to strike down the Roe vs. Wade decision brought by a Republican majority Supreme Court (6 R's and 3 D's) 45 years ago. How much longer will it take for action from the GOP? 100 years?
     
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    Frankly, I haven't noticed much of it. I noticed that the moderators have edited/deleted his posts from time to time, but he is quite mild compared to others. The one you called out appeared to me to be a typo. I looked it up and now see that he is describing your actions. It's quite clever, but I did not know it was intentional. Perhaps if you would stop lying about him, he wouldn't feel the need to describe your bad behavior. He shouldn't do it, regardless.
     
  3. Calminian

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    And I'm waiting for you to actually care about the unborn.

    And no, we don't have a majority. Kennedy still swings the other way on abortion. But he may retire this year. I'm sure you'll be praying for Trump if he does.
     
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    broken record.

    Well, I wouldn't go as far as this and claim Kanyne is bipolar but there are some of the signs there:

    the depression:

    Kanye West: 'I contemplated suicide'

    the excitability:

    Kanye West will not be prosecuted for angry airport attack on photographer | Daily Mail Online

    the delusions of grandeur:

    Kanye West 'Compares Himself To Nelson Mandela' After Storming Off Stage During Florida Show » Entertainmentwise

    and he claimed he was going to run for POTUS in 2016. Can't you see why he would be attracted and repelled to Trump at the same time?

    and there;s plenty of evidence for more erratic behavior. Kanye has been accused of being a narcissist like Trump but most politicians and entertainers are to a degree.
     
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  5. Calminian

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    I wonder how you "experts" would diagnose Paul and King David.
     
  6. Baptist Believer

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    We not claim expertise, so I don't know why you put that word in quotes.

    I see no evidence of mental illness in Paul or David. David had some huge moral problems, but he was a man of his time and things were quite savage in that age.
     
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    I agree. :)
     
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    IOWA CITY, Iowa — Republicans who control a majority of the nation's statehouses are considering a wide range of abortion legislation that could test the government's legal ability to restrict a woman's right to terminate pregnancy.

    The Mississippi House passed a bill Friday that would make the state the only one to ban all abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. In Missouri, lawmakers heard testimony earlier in the week on a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks.

    The Ohio House is expected to consider bills, already passed in the Senate, that would prohibit the most common type of procedure used to end pregnancies after 13 weeks and require that fetal remains be buried or cremated.

    Abortion is a perennial hot button issue in statehouses across the country. Republican-controlled states have passed hundreds of bills since 2011 restricting access to the procedure while Democratic-led states have taken steps in the other direction.

    Abortion is a focus of early action in legislative sessions
     
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    So, your position is, "If you didn't vote for Trump, you're not pro-life."
     
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    You're not talking about me, not pro-choice in any sense of the word and agree 100% with the GOP platform on this issue. However, it is entrenched in American culture and getting rid of it is like putting toothpaste back into the tube since most Americans don't agree with me.

    Somebody told me once David was a sociopath and Paul was a paranoid schizophrenic. No real "expert" could or would diagnose them or anyone else over the internet without extensive testing and observation over time in real life. All I was saying that narcissistic and bipolar traits are present in Trump and Kanye but that doesn't mean they should be in straitjackets.

    This is MY "take" on some of your political ideology, could be wrong, this is just what I've observed:

    you - slightly right-of-center, you claim conservatives call you a liberal, true test is do liberals call you a conservative? If so, you are a moderate

    Cal - a Trump supporter, core

    Follow - Democrat, pro-life but feels he has nowhere to go

    Wingman - conservative, Trump supporter

    Light (and that other guy named after an old band) - conservatives that are put off by Trump, don't trust him partly because he's a relatively recent convert to the cause.
     
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    It's not about Trump. It is for you, but it's not for true pro-lifers. If you hate Trump more than you love the unborn, you are not pro-life. You are so bitter about Trump that you're willing to allow thousands of babies to continue to be snuffed out, your moral compass is totally out of wack. I couldn't stand Romney, but voted for life. Had I not, I would have been guilty of not supporting the unborn and would have had not right to call myself pro-life.

    That's my position. I'll brace for the insults, and any consequences it brings.
     
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    And there you go. We all have opinion and they all should be allowed. You say ITL is a moderate, I say left of center.

    BTW, 777, wishy-washy conservative. Not willing to put up a fight. My take. I could be wrong. (Just to inform you, we're one justice away from having a conservative pro-life court for the first time in 45 years. No, it's not as hard as getting toothpaste back in the tube. You just need to have the stomach to fight.)
     
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    Oh, I see. Well, yes, I thought the "you" was you, and now I see the "you" was Baptist Believer.

    So yes, I'm capable of making mistakes, and willing to admit them. My apologies. I'm sure you'll consider accepting, but your hate for me seems very apparent. Hope I'm wrong, but isn't it obvious that's the mistake I made? You could have just pointed it out, instead of accusing me of lying.

    I will say, though, this exemplifies just about every accusation you've thrown at me. If I so much as misread a quote, I'm lying.
     
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    I'm going to put more stock on how people describe their ideology since they ought to know themselves better than some person the internet but there are people on the far right and left that think they are the center and anybody else else is an extremist.

    No, not my point - even if SCOTUS repealed RvW, all it would do is to revert it back to the states and that wouldn't wouldn't change a thing in a state like here, NY, or CA - pre-RvW, you had basically abortion on demand in all three. Follow has about the same perspective on it as Reagan had from what's he written here, Reagan was against it except in cases of rape, incest, life or health of the mother, and there's the catch, "health", interpreted to many for any reason. He was tricked into signing the biggest pro-abortion legislation at that time this way.

    Nobody cared, and you have a country that often tops a million a year and they don't see anything wrong with it. Yelling at people isn't going to help.
     
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    He is not banned. His absence is of his own choice.
     
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    You're just not informed, and this is the problem with many in the Christian community. That's all I can say. RvW was huge in accelerating abortions. If you don't think the reversal of RvW will dramatically reduce abortions you don't understand the issue. And that's probably why you fight so half-heartedly.

    The proof is simple. If RvW didn't matter, why 60 million abortions since RvW? Why did it skyrocket? Very simple. It became a national entitlement. Doing away with RvW would reverse this message, and legislatures would regain power over the the issue, as would voters. You would see a huge decline and millions of hearts changed, just like they were changed against slavery.
     
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    I don’t have to provide proof. The unemployment numbers speak for themselves.
    BTW, if I had to choose between being alt right & democrat, it would be alt right. Some have painted the alt right to suit their needs, the real alt right is an internet entity. I would be happy to provide you with a description, but doubt you would read it, so I won’t be bothered.
     
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    Thank you, sir. I am relieved to hear it, as I had not considered that possibility until BB brought it up.
     
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    Again, that's not what I said - I don't think you can ever get rid of abortion altogether in this country now and it's not like slavery really - slavery was never mandated nationwide by SCOTUS like abortion was.

    Look what happened to Russia, the commies went pro-abort so much Stalin put an end to it for almost twenty years, then when it was legalized again, they were right back to their sky-high rates and they still are among the highest rates in the world. That's a change of policy there, not hearts.

    Now your last two sentences are correct and there are all these "trigger laws" already in place in case RvW is overturned, and it almost was a few years back, Kennedy got cold feet at the last minute.

    I'll go a step further - it will be overturned, within fifteen years and until then, it'll keep being chipped away. Trump is putting the right people in the federal judiciary to do so. Stare decisis worked for slavery and the Taney court, too, until we woke.
     
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