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[TheResister]

Well, I didn't know for sure if you were a communist, socialist or whatever.

My statement was that THE NEW WORLD ORDER WAS and IS and is being perpetuated by many inside and outside our administration.

Judging by your negativity of THE NEW WORLD ORDER I assumed that probably you were not.

but I did suspect that you were trying to send me out on a guilt trip by "evil of association' which is one of the techniques taught by Saul Alinsky in Rules For Radicals. In my perverted brain I was returning the jab.

BTW - Socialism (the Bernie) or even a candidate of raw communism itself would be the legitimate candidate if they could get on a ballot assuming they had the constitutional requirements. that's what true freedom is all about.

Rest assured, I am not a socialist, communist, or anyone from the left. I've voted in every election since Reagan first won the presidency and never supported a Democrat. BTW, I've been a campaign manager and gotten people elected as Republicans all the way up to the state level.

Saul Alinsky once wrote that: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." I noticed that one of my early critics used Alinsky's tactics in order to make this about me instead of the subject matter. And he was accusing me of being connected to Alinsky's strategies even as he was using them. Imagine that!

In politics, you learn fast that everything that glitters is not gold. As stated earlier, Trump tells his supporters what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. He realizes that much of what he's doing is doomed for one of the following:

A) It will be over - turned by the United States Supreme Court

B) The precedent (as shown with the Printz case versus the Sanctuary Cities) will be used against the American people to the benefit of the far left

C) The solutions Trump seeks will anger the left so much that, when they return to power, they will so vindictive against us that the Republic cannot be saved without an internal war.

Use your head:

Coming into this country without papers is a civil misdemeanor. At best, the government spends 10 grand (the cost to capture, process and deport an undocumented foreigner) to get a maximum $250 fine.

The left can (and eventually WILL) argue in court that breaking up families and deporting people with American relatives is clearly a violation of the guarantee found in the Eighth Amendment. Even you should understand, whether you agree or not publicly that breaking up families over a misdemeanor don't make much sense. AND if that goes to court anytime soon, the United States Supreme Court consists of six Catholics and three Jews (Gorsuch was raised a Roman Catholic though says he is a Protestant.)

At least five of the Justices lean left, with Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer definitely not agreeing with the current anti-immigrant solutions. Then you have a black man, the son of immigrants, and a sell-out (Roberts) that are iffy votes. I told you this issue is a LONG one to articulate. The one thing that you can be assured of: the anti-immigrant lobby is filled with neo nazis proposing National Socialist solutions... if you consider regression a solution. They cannot afford for an alternative solution to be put on the table, and there is little difference between National Socialists, Socialists, and Communists.

 

[HankD]

Rest assured, I am not a socialist, communist, or anyone from the left. I've voted in every election since Reagan first won the presidency and never supported a Democrat. BTW, I've been a campaign manager and gotten people elected as Republicans all the way up to the state level.

Saul Alinsky once wrote that: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." I noticed that one of my early critics used Alinsky's tactics in order to make this about me instead of the subject matter. And he was accusing me of being connected to Alinsky's strategies even as he was using them. Imagine that!

In politics, you learn fast that everything that glitters is not gold. As stated earlier, Trump tells his supporters what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. He realizes that much of what he's doing is doomed for one of the following:

A) It will be over - turned by the United States Supreme Court

B) The precedent (as shown with the Printz case versus the Sanctuary Cities) will be used against the American people to the benefit of the far left

C) The solutions Trump seeks will anger the left so much that, when they return to power, they will so vindictive against us that the Republic cannot be saved without an internal war.

Use your head:

Coming into this country without papers is a civil misdemeanor. At best, the government spends 10 grand (the cost to capture, process and deport an undocumented foreigner) to get a maximum $250 fine.

The left can (and eventually WILL) argue in court that breaking up families and deporting people with American relatives is clearly a violation of the guarantee found in the Eighth Amendment. Even you should understand, whether you agree or not publicly that breaking up families over a misdemeanor don't make much sense. AND if that goes to court anytime soon, the United States Supreme Court consists of six Catholics and three Jews (Gorsuch was raised a Roman Catholic though says he is a Protestant.)

At least five of the Justices lean left, with Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer definitely not agreeing with the current anti-immigrant solutions. Then you have a black man, the son of immigrants, and a sell-out (Roberts) that are iffy votes. I told you this issue is a LONG one to articulate. The one thing that you can be assured of: the anti-immigrant lobby is filled with neo nazis proposing National Socialist solutions... if you consider regression a solution. They cannot afford for an alternative solution to be put on the table, and there is little difference between National Socialists, Socialists, and Communists.

Breaking up families: They should have not put their own families at risk but come legally as my grandparents did.

You talk a good talk now lets see if you walk the walk (if you stick around).

 

[TheResister]

Breaking up families: They should have not put their own families at risk but come legally as my grandparents did.

You talk a good talk now lets see if you walk the walk (if you stick around).

Let me tell you a little about what's going on.

In the early 2000s, constitutionalists were moving in the right direction. We were defeating National ID; we had the income tax on the ropes; gun control was suffering defeats and we posted the Ten Commandments everywhere when mealy mouthed ADL, SPLC, and ACLU types took them down when posted

Around that time I went to work in immigration law, thinking if it's all that easy to come to the United States, then I'll start a little group to take care of that. I spent six years working in every part of immigration law: defense, prosecution, witness, advocate, pro, con, - it got to be that attorneys were calling me as if I had the market on understanding immigration law.

Of course, your parents came here "legally" as you like to call it, but they were not bound by pick from air numbers. All they had to do was announce their arrival. In addition, those who come here today don't want to become citizens. For the life of me, I don't understand why the dim bulbs representing the right want us to turn everyone into a citizen.

On tonight's news, a reporter interviewed a woman working in a field in Mexico picking whatever plant they get the active ingredient for heroin from. She was deported from the U.S. and the liberal interviewer asked her why she did it. She said she worked an honest job in the U.S.but they deported her. She said, you have to do something for a living.

Even a broken clock has the potential to be right twice a day. She was working a job that Americans don't want. She would be less of a threat doing something productive than to be working to manufacture heroin that will be sold on the streets in the United States.

The truth is, if there were a willing employer that had a job for you in the U.S. and you could do honest work to feed your family, you have to be a low down scum bag to let a piece of paper keep you from feeding your children. You can't tell me you cherish Liberty or Freedom if you think an employer can't give the job he created to the candidate of his choice.

THAT is exactly how we got in this mess. Now, let us see you walk the walk.

 

[HankD]

Let me tell you a little about what's going on.

In the early 2000s, constitutionalists were moving in the right direction. We were defeating National ID; we had the income tax on the ropes; gun control was suffering defeats and we posted the Ten Commandments everywhere when mealy mouthed ADL, SPLC, and ACLU types took them down when posted

Around that time I went to work in immigration law, thinking if it's all that easy to come to the United States, then I'll start a little group to take care of that. I spent six years working in every part of immigration law: defense, prosecution, witness, advocate, pro, con, - it got to be that attorneys were calling me as if I had the market on understanding immigration law.

Of course, your parents came here "legally" as you like to call it, but they were not bound by pick from air numbers. All they had to do was announce their arrival. In addition, those who come here today don't want to become citizens. For the life of me, I don't understand why the dim bulbs representing the right want us to turn everyone into a citizen.

On tonight's news, a reporter interviewed a woman working in a field in Mexico picking whatever plant they get the active ingredient for heroin from. She was deported from the U.S. and the liberal interviewer asked her why she did it. She said she worked an honest job in the U.S.but they deported her. She said, you have to do something for a living.

Even a broken clock has the potential to be right twice a day. She was working a job that Americans don't want. She would be less of a threat doing something productive than to be working to manufacture heroin that will be sold on the streets in the United States.

The truth is, if there were a willing employer that had a job for you in the U.S. and you could do honest work to feed your family, you have to be a low down scum bag to let a piece of paper keep you from feeding your children. You can't tell me you cherish Liberty or Freedom if you think an employer can't give the job he created to the candidate of his choice.

THAT is exactly how we got in this mess. Now, let us see you walk the walk.

Sorry, not with you pal.

 

[TheResister]

Sorry, not with you pal.

So, you cannot complain when you lose. The solutions you accept are those created by David Duke, Don, Black, John Tanton, etc. back in the late 1970s.

A man is known by the company he keeps - or so said my late mother. If you're going to support those who were into the KKK, nazi supporters, and eugenics activists, then remember: If you lie down with dogs, don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.

Yeah, there is a problem. But that is not good enough for those professing to accept Jesus and supporting nazis in the same breath. They demand that everyone who discusses the subject chant the mantra and worship an idea that is NOT in line with the Bible. So long.

 

[HankD]

So, you cannot complain when you lose. The solutions you accept are those created by David Duke, Don, Black, John Tanton, etc. back in the late 1970s.

A man is known by the company he keeps - or so said my late mother. If you're going to support those who were into the KKK, nazi supporters, and eugenics activists, then remember: If you lie down with dogs, don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.

Yeah, there is a problem. But that is not good enough for those professing to accept Jesus and supporting nazis in the same breath. They demand that everyone who discusses the subject chant the mantra and worship an idea that is NOT in line with the Bible. So long.

Ya bye. Phony guilt barbs don't work on me.

 

[Calminian]

...That probably goes over your head when I clearly said I voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils..

I got news for ya. All candidates, at best, are the lesser of evils. That's us! We're all sinners. You're no better than Trump, in fact I like Trump. I think he's a decent guy, humanly speaking. I'm sure you think you're better, and you can point sins in his past, but you've got them in your past also. You have your strengths, he has his, you have your weaknesses, he has his.

I you don't think he's saved, and you might be right, then I suggest you pray for him. He's changed quite a bit over the years, and God may be drawing him. Sitting back and judging him, isn't helping anyone.

 

[TheResister]

I got news for ya. All candidates, at best, are the lesser of evils. That's us! We're all sinners. You're no better than Trump, in fact I like Trump. I think he's a decent guy, humanly speaking. I'm sure you think you're better, and you can point sins in his past, but you've got them in your past also. You have your strengths, he has his, you have your weaknesses, he has his.

I you don't think he's saved, and you might be right, then I suggest you pray for him. He's changed quite a bit over the years, and God may be drawing him. Sitting back and judging him, isn't helping anyone.

First off, I don't judge the guy. I listen to what he and he alone says about himself.

I worry every day about the sins I've committed. Unlike politicians, I acknowledge my shortcomings - which is why I could not get elected to public office. Don't worry. I pray for every president whether I agree with them or not. Our lives may be in the their very hands one day and I would hope that the Holy Spirit would intervene in their lives and help them make the right decision. I agree with you - every candidate you consider is the lesser of two evils.

 

[TheResister]

Ya bye. Phony guilt barbs don't work on me.

I don't want you to feel guilty. You simply need to know that just because someone does not agree with the solutions that are on a table does not mean they are oblivious to a problem.

Sometimes you have to look at the long term. Thomas Paine, one of our founding fathers said:

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself"

I have found that not one person in a thousand can understand the meaning of those words. And yet the anti-immigrant lobby has put mechanisms into place that have cost us TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes; it has jeopardized our Liberties - even eviscerating some of our Rights; and worst of all, the most likely person to have been victimized by the current anti-immigrant agenda has been individual American citizens.

 

[HankD]

I don't want you to feel guilty. You simply need to know that just because someone does not agree with the solutions that are on a table does not mean they are oblivious to a problem.

Sometimes you have to look at the long term. Thomas Paine, one of our founding fathers said:

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself"

I have found that not one person in a thousand can understand the meaning of those words. And yet the anti-immigrant lobby has put mechanisms into place that have cost us TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes; it has jeopardized our Liberties - even eviscerating some of our Rights; and worst of all, the most likely person to have been victimized by the current anti-immigrant agenda has been individual American citizens.

RE:Thomas Paine's quote - can certainly be used (not that you are doing so) as an attempt to appeal to one's "pride of life" .
"Not one person in a thousand" ya - poor me. Don't want to let those across the border who are budding Democrats.
How dumb of me.

HankD (Former JFK Democrat)

 

[HankD]

What is most disappointing to me is that the one-time "Party of the People" is now lowering themselves to illegal, unpatriotic and even traitorous means to gain back and/or keep control of the orwellian masses we the sheeple (You know, the irredeemable deplorables In our basket clinging to our Bibles and guns)

Of course with help from the marxist press machine and Alinsky stooges spreading FAKE NEWS.

What's worse is that they have become the Party of Death: Abortion (Baby murder), euthanasia (Ya, death with dignity!) and eugenics.

HankD (Former JFK Democrat)

 

[Calminian]

First off, I don't judge the guy. I listen to what he and he alone says about himself.....

Trump has said a lot of things, good, bad, excellent, horrible, etc.. We all have. You have. If everything you've said had been recorded, believe me, you'd have plenty of judgement coming your way. So I would suggest you stop obsessing over the sins of others, especially if you believe he's an unbeliever.

 

[TheResister]

Since there is a limit on the pages you can do on this board, I hesitate to get too in depth with the answer to this immigration issue, but in all reality the current

RE:Thomas Paine's quote - can certainly be used (not that you are doing so) as an attempt to appeal to one's "pride of life" .
"Not one person in a thousand" ya - poor me. Don't want to let those across the border who are budding Democrats.
How dumb of me.

HankD (Former JFK Democrat)

HankD, I used the quote for exactly what it looks like in the context it was written. Everything that glitters is not gold. That should have become apparent to you when I showed you how conservative Christians supported Richard Mack and the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of not giving the federal government the power to comandeer state and local officials.

Then, when the liberals used that same, exact precedent to avoid using their resources over the emotionally charged immigration issues (specifically Sanctuary Cities) you have a problem with states like California. Excuse me, but which side are you on? I'm not in favor of ANY legislation that would increase the size, power, and / or scope of government.

When it comes to building up the size of the government and forfeiting my Rights, I choose Freedom over the government's agenda to vigorously pursue foreigners over a civil misdemeanor statute.

Again, only the individual state can determine who they want to invite in AND / OR how many workers they might need. Congress ONLY authority under the Constitution is ..."To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization." That is it sir, That is all the de jure / lawful constitutional authority the federal government has over foreigners. If a state invites someone in and that person works and takes advantage of opportunities willingly offered, the federal government has no lawful authority to harass or intimidate the states over it.

What they (the federal government) CAN DO is to make it more advantageous for employers to hire Americans over foreigners, but give the states to decide who may be an invitee and who is not. The closer you put the issue to state and local governments, the greater the chance that you control the real situation.

 

[TheResister]

Trump has said a lot of things, good, bad, excellent, horrible, etc.. We all have. You have. If everything you've said had been recorded, believe me, you'd have plenty of judgement coming your way. So I would suggest you stop obsessing over the sins of others, especially if you believe he's an unbeliever.

Well, it's obvious that you either cannot read or you trying are to provoke me - and on a Christian site!!!

I just told your non-reading disingenuous carcass that I do not judge anyone. So how, in the name of good common sense am I obsessing over the sins of others?

Are you obsessing so much over your hatred toward foreigners that you cannot stay on point about the OP? Is a political win more important than a man's soul? What does the Bible have to say about your judging me on the basis of lies?

Did you check your ego before you started posting on this thread? You don't want to discuss the issue about using the federal government to enforce domestic laws, so inquiring minds would like to know what you're hiding. What is it gaining you to judge me and then misrepresent me? Are you a supporter of the National Socialist Movement?

I judge no one. I'm the guy who uses a discerning eye when political proposals are put on the table. You don't want to talk about the TRILLIONS of dollars in taxes that the anti-immigrant side has cost us (a lot of it before your demigod Trump took office - so this is not a dig at him. You don't want to discuss the Freedoms and Liberties that are gone as a result of the anti-immigrant agenda nor do you care to engage in the constitutionality of using federal troops to enforce domestic laws. You want this to be a personality contest, and worse, you are using Adolph Hitler's big lie technique to promote a lie that you invented. Good luck with that.

Atheists stop by sites like this and see that we are no more capable of having a civil conversation than the heathen and it is acts like yours that has them casting aspersions upon the character of Christians. I need not judge any man. If his agenda and his lobbying efforts cannot stand the scrutiny of someone with critical thinking skills, that says more about him and his followers that all the words I can ever say.

So, do you want to discuss this immigration issue or do you have another lie about me you'd like to share?

 

[HankD]

Since there is a limit on the pages you can do on this board, I hesitate to get too in depth with the answer to this immigration issue, but in all reality the current


HankD, I used the quote for exactly what it looks like in the context it was written. Everything that glitters is not gold. That should have become apparent to you when I showed you how conservative Christians supported Richard Mack and the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of not giving the federal government the power to comandeer state and local officials.

Then, when the liberals used that same, exact precedent to avoid using their resources over the emotionally charged immigration issues (specifically Sanctuary Cities) you have a problem with states like California. Excuse me, but which side are you on? I'm not in favor of ANY legislation that would increase the size, power, and / or scope of government.

When it comes to building up the size of the government and forfeiting my Rights, I choose Freedom over the government's agenda to vigorously pursue foreigners over a civil misdemeanor statute.

Again, only the individual state can determine who they want to invite in AND / OR how many workers they might need. Congress ONLY authority under the Constitution is ..."To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization." That is it sir, That is all the de jure / lawful constitutional authority the federal government has over foreigners. If a state invites someone in and that person works and takes advantage of opportunities willingly offered, the federal government has no lawful authority to harass or intimidate the states over it.

What they (the federal government) CAN DO is to make it more advantageous for employers to hire Americans over foreigners, but give the states to decide who may be an invitee and who is not. The closer you put the issue to state and local governments, the greater the chance that you control the real situation.

The real situation is the border and not allowing ANYBODY who is not a US citizen to cross it whether State or Federal mandate (federal overrides).

The problem is that the corrupt Democrat Party has found illegal means to bolster their numbers (INCOMING - illegal aliens can't vote - ya right, dream on Pollyanna).

Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections | Federation for American Immigration Reform

 

[TheResister]

I realize that when trolls take over a thread, the damage has been done. But, if anyone happens across this thread wants to consider the REAL ISSUE here, let me spell it out for you:

America kicked God to the curb and God abandoned the American people until they obey his word. We allowed the heathen to remove the Ten Commandments from our courthouses; allowed them take prayer out of public schools - even when it was done so voluntarily. I don't know if they even say the Pledge of Allegiance in school. This government has legalized abortion, criminalized the Second Amendment, and the United States Supreme Court has acted to claim powers the Constitution never gave them. And, regardless of what side political hacks are on, they will praise an ungodly law IF it address their pet political agenda. These are the same people who remain silent when crosses are in danger of being removed in Arlington Cemetery (and then other places where Christian veterans are buried.)

This country has allowed the liberals to banish the Confederate flag (a part of our history), remove our statues, memorials and monuments only to replace them with memorials to communists.

Today, hypocrites align themselves with the alt-right, neo nazis, and the KKK. They use their talking points and then cover their bases by misrepresenting anyone that dare expose what they are really doing. And, at the end of the day, I see the issue. I only challenge the solutions.

The flood of immigrants (whether you characterize them as legal or not) into the United States threatens our culture; it is being used as a subtle form of genocide to get rid of the posterity of the founding fathers.

The flip side is, the Americans play right into the hands of the left. Our REAL problem is that we live in a society that uses the government and the medical community to rear our children. And then the doctors give children Ritalin for imaginary conditions like ADD / ADHD. Those children then go on be treated for the problems the government and the medical community created. Then they put teens on SSRIs . Then, when the kid gets to be in their mid 20s, they have no education, no job skills, no work ethic; they're basically drug addicts whose lives consist of playing video games and being human hemorrhoids on the Internet. At that time, the insurance company tells the parents that they are pulling those children off the parents insurance.

So, now the kid is 25 with no job history, no education, no job skills, not even a driver's license and no a clue as to how to work a job. At this point if they aren't a criminal they're about to be. The are cut off the legal drugs they were addicted to and now they become heroin addicts. Now, they cannot pass a drug test, aptitude test nor a criminal background check.And we refuse to treat them! As a matter of fact the American people consume 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. And, if that isn't enough, for every one person being treated for a drug addiction in a medical environment (like a mental institution) there are MORE THAN TEN DRUG ADDICTS IN PRISON.

In comes the so called "illegal alien" to fill the void because we're so stupid we think we can reform addicts with prison sentences. It's easier than questioning the government about their policies or challenging the medical community for drugging a certain demographic of America to the point that it amounts to genocide.

And there is more to come.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It is not the government’s responsibility to reform drug addicts. Their responsibility it to keep the violent ones away from the rest of us.

 

[Calminian]

I realize that when trolls take over a thread, the damage has been done. .....

I only see one troll. He tried to say protecting the border is globalism and open borders is nationalism. No need to read much further after that.

 

[TheResister]

The real situation is the border and not allowing ANYBODY who is not a US citizen to cross it whether State or Federal mandate (federal overrides).

The problem is that the corrupt Democrat Party has found illegal means to bolster their numbers (INCOMING - illegal aliens can't vote - ya right, dream on Pollyanna).

Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections | Federation for American Immigration Reform

The site you quote is financed by John Tanton. Tanton is a millionaire eugenics activist and provided David Duke with his talking points. It is hardly a non-partisan site.

I'll do more on my rant ...

With millions of kids being fed dangerous drugs, our society feels the sting. For example: Virtually every mass shooting in the United States, is committed by a political jihadist OR, more likely, by a young white male that has been on a schedule of drugs called SSRIs. All they have to do is come up with the magical words or phrases like I feel anxious, depressed, or thinking about hurting or killing myself. Presto - A prescription of SSRIs appear... no counseling or non - drug therapy required.

Then the American people demand National ID (even worse than what Orwell contemplated in his novel 1984.) The anti-immigrant lobby endorsed the National ID / REAL ID Act on the pretext of identifying so - called "illegal aliens." In fact it is used to keep a certain demographic of Americans out of the job market. We don't give second chances and we make the mistakes of Americans an open book by which to be judged - they are judged on their past, not the current time. This opens the doors for even more foreigners to move in and take the jobs that Americans could have had.

Immigration laws won't stop that reality. Some Americans are locked out of the job market... permanently.

 

[TheResister]

It is not the government’s responsibility to reform drug addicts. Their responsibility it to keep the violent ones away from the rest of us.

I disagree. If the government creates a pile of dung, it IS their responsibility to clean up the mess they make.