Holy communists, Batman!
The day I need Zinn to explain things to me, is the day they'll be shoveling dirt onto my coffin.
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The Russians Have Landed Planes Full Of Troops, Military Advisers In Venezuela
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The day I need Zinn to explain things to me, is the day they'll be shoveling dirt onto my coffin.
Yes, you do need people like Zinn to explain things to you. Or you can just keep feeding on one-sided newsfeeds, like Fox News, etc. Our history is more complicated than you seem to think.
BTW, I am not commmunist. It is typical kneejerk reaction to see any criticism of the US as communist or socialist. There are whole sordid sections of our history that you will be forever clueless about because it is outside your self-imposed bubble.
Here is a good quote from Zinn:
"My hero is not Theodore Roosevelt, who loved war and congratulated a general after a massacre of Filipino villagers at the turn of the century, but Mark Twain, who denounced the massacre and satirized imperialism.
"I want young people to understand that ours is a beautiful country, but it has been taken over by men who have no respect for human rights or constitutional liberties."
How is any of that Communist?
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I was flinging the term communist at Zinn, not you. I apologize if it appeared otherwise.
As for my bubble, my BA was in History. I'm well aware that Marx was as much a historian as an economist, and that Zinn follows Marx's philosophy in his People's History. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it's the truth.
There are plenty of other places to get an unvarnished view of American history without resorting to a hack like Zinn.
OK, I take back the bubble part. But I do believe you are wrong on Zinn. I have read his History, along with a whole gamut of other sources. I have taught history for many years and have had my views changed the more I studied. In fact I lost my teaching job in Texas years ago because of my changed views.
I strongly dislike the red-white-and-blue blinders that many Christians have concerning their own country.
I am not as concerned with Zinn's philosophy as I am with his actual reportage. There are incidents in our history that I had never previously read about except in Zinn's work. Or, come to think of it, Purnell's History of the 20th Century. Surely those whose politics or philosophy may be suspect still do us the favor of pointing out inconsistencies in our beliefs that our like-minded colleagues wouldn't.
You justified Russia in Syria and then changed your tune when you were caught in the fact that Obama let Russia into Syria. Now you are trying to smear Trump again, presumably to prop up communism in Latin America. There is no American intervention in Venezuela and you charge is false.
I don't think that it is Christians who are misguided as you call us but you who are trying to smear everyone for your leftist/socialist/communist ends. Your allusion to Christians in Palestine gives you away for what you are. It is your side that went nuts over New Zealand, which the Muslims are now saying was caused by the Jews, and it was the Christians, whom you dislike, who died in Nigeria and got nothing from your side.
Wow. Now that is a rant. I have no idea what you are talking about.
For the record: I never justified Russia's involvement in Syria. Neither country has business in that country. And when I refer to Christians in Palestine I am referring to actual believers there who have placed their faith in Christ. I am not writing vaguely.
I have no idea what you mean by "my side". But it does tell me that you have a simplistic view of world affairs if you are able to simplify everything into "us and them".
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Check the Oxford History of the United States, in 11 volumes.
Check the Oxford History of the United States, in 11 volumes.
Oh, I wish I could. It would be hard to lug around in buses I have been traveling in these many months. I do miss my physical books.
Is this I call that a rant more of your Christians are misguided stuff?
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This is so ungrammatical that I can't understand it. Maybe a cat walked over your keyboard.
You do have a difficult time understanding things, don't you? And you call Christians "misguided"?
Twisting my words. If you read my original comment intelligently you would understand that I was referring to some Christians being misguided.
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As the USSR, Russia’s business in Central and South America was to spread and prop up godless socialism with the promise of godless communism and to gain a great foothold against those who oppose godless socialism because they know what godless communism really is. What business does it have there now, if not the same godless interests?
I am not trying to defend Russia's actions or intentions in the Americas. That is not the issue. My point was that our country has no right to complain about their exploits and exploitation in our hemisphere when we are pretty much doing the same thing right by their front door.
The US is hypocritical when we talk about defending freedoms abroad. We are not defending freedoms. We are taking them away. I can think of a handful of countries where we made a big deal about free elections and then, when it came to the actual election and it became obvious that they were going to choose the wrong candidate. we move in and install our puppet. It happened in Vietnam in the 50s and in Central America also.
So which is worse: Godless communism or godless exploitive militarism? They are both bad.
When we were visiting Nicaragua we got an earful from an older gent in Masaya, a town that has seen some military damage (some of it just last year). This man told us that both the Americans and Russians were personae non gratae. They were both big, bullying chess players - and the Nicaraguans were the pawns.
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Nothing true in this post
Cognitive dissonance at work.
Are you saying those events did not happen?
A book that might do you some good is A Bright Shining Lie. by John Paul Vann
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I wouldn't want to waste my time reading a "one-sided" book.
Judging by your comments, you have already been doing just that.
Well I suppose I could say the same thing of you.
But you would be wrong.
In the 70s up until the turn of the century I was quite on board with our country's policies. Voted for Reagan, listened religiously to Rush Limbaugh. So I know all about that side of the issue. I don't think you ever really looked at the other sides (plural) of any events in American history.