Hello everyone from a church of Christ guy!

As to that question it can go either way.
The real question is the work of immersion a requirement in order to be saved? The Baotist position is no. There are three works of faith cited in the word of God, none of which are the requirement in order to be saved. Baptism Mark 16:16, confession that Jesus is Lord, Romans 10:9, and asking for salvation, prayer, Romans 10:13-14. All of them have the requirement in common, faith in Christ.

 

I would like to ask something that might be useful for tomorrow morning's Bible study. We are studying Revelation,and I think most of us are premillenialists, but not "hard line" in that way such that we don't consider any other position. The position(s) held by CofC members seems to be generally that prophecy is symbolic only-- there will be no disasters as described literally in the book, and Christ will not rule the earth (this same earth) for 1000 years, supposedly from Jerusalem. What is your position? Is it a waste of time trying to tie every prophetic episode to a world event? Were the original 10 nations of the European Union the 10 horns on 7 heads? Is/was Magog, that powerful empire up north, the USSR? Will the Third Temple be built?

If these examples and others are just graspings for meanings, then how actually will the last days be lived and how will the world end? I know the CofC's like to teach that they are the Kingdom of God, as the restoral of the early churches and its practices [although they don't practice 2 or 3 prophets speaking, 2 or 3 tongues speakers, et al, from I Corinthians] and emphasize scriptures such as "The Kingdom of God is within you." I get the idea eschatology is not a subject they like to talk or teach about, relegating it to a different (spiritual?) realm.

 

Restoration Review

"The Restoration Movement in this country in its origin owes much to both Presbyterians and Baptists. Our original founders, the four pillars of our Movement, were all Presbyterians: Thomas and Alexander Campbell, Barton W. Stone and Walter Scott. But the masses that came into our ranks during the first generation, 1809-1830, were not Presbyterians but Baptists."

"Hundreds of these Baptist churches....gradually imbibed 'Campbellism', as it was called, until they were no longer considered orthodox Baptist churches, and so they were dubbed 'Reformed Baptists'."

"These 'Reformed Baptists' finally lost all identification as Baptists and became known as 'Disciples of Christ', the name preferred by Alexander Campbell, but also as 'Church of Christ' and 'Christian Church'."

 

There are those who teach the heresy of faith plus works in order to be saved.
And salvation is the work of God alone, and not do to anything that we do.

 

Baptism before salvation only produces a wet sinner. The Ethiopian Philip baptized was already saved thru Philip's preaching. While it IS important, sometimes it's impossible. Remember Jesus saving the repentant thief on the cross who couldn't possible be baptized.

 

Salvation is wholy of God. God is the One who sanctifies men that they might believe. God saves men in order for them to have good works. Men who think they must have faith and works in order to have salvation do not know God. Only those whom God has given eternal life know God. John 17:3; 1 John 4:7-8. 2 Thessalonians 1:8.

 

Just several years ago, Southern Baptists absorbed your Berean bookstores into the Lifeway Stores chain, now the whole operation is going down the tubes!

 

Yes.

Immersion [baptism] is a work. The few C of C people that I have discused baptism briefly did deny baptism to be a work.

 

Welcome in!

I probably am the only one here other than you with a Cambellite background, as I came out of the Disciples of Christ decades ago. They have headquarters here in downtown Indianapolis in building of twelve stories more or less. They have gone very liberal, unfortunately. I think that the problem with the Cambellites is that they never developed a doctrinal statement, or a statement of faith and belief as they are called now. They just repeated that where the Bible speaks, they speak, which is confusing if you are trying to sort out what to stand for. By the way, the notorious communist Jim Jones of Peoples Temple had a Peoples Temple in Indianapolis and was an ordained Disciples of Christ minister.

One question, if you don't mind, are you a Young Earth Creationist or do you believe in deep time, millions and millions of years (Old Earth)? I think that most people on the BB are old earthers.

 

Welcome to the board, I'm one of the Catholics who lurks around here. I knew a COC person, a fellow truck driver whom I gave a ride to his home in South Carolina from New Jersey once. We had a long and interesting conversation about our respective faith traditions and he was indeed a very nice fellow.