Dreams

That's not an issue of the Bible needing reinforcement. The Bible doesn't need any help. The problem is with us, not in any deficiency in the Bible.

 

I am skeptical of those claims

 

Before or after regeneration?

 

That is your personal philosophy not proof of your point. Can you provide clear biblical proof there are no dreams or visions from God anymore?

 

There is no inability for someone to read and understand the Gospel before they are saved. They don't have to be "regenerated" to understand and respond to the Gospel message.

 

Great! Now show us from scripture.

 

I think that verse pretty much sinks future visions and dreams from the Lord. He is speaking to us through His Son, not through visions and dreams. In fact, there is no biblical basis for the NT Church to be receiving dreams and visions any longer. Paul points us to the Word of God which is wholly inspired and good for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness. All that we need to know is found in the Bible.

If anything, it is YOU that needs to show that the Bible is insufficient and needs to be supplemented by additional visions and dreams.

 

The Bible says nothing about a person needing to be regenerated in order to hear and receive the Gospel. That concept is not in the Bible. That is a Calvinist teaching that has no basis in biblical theology. You are the one that needs to support that unbiblical teaching.

 

Wait so you do not make a clear distinction between Jesus and the word of God so that you can misuse that verse you quoted?

 

What I am saying is that God's final message, His final revelation of Himself to the world is Jesus. God spoke to mankind differently in the past, through the visions and dreams of the prophets and now He is speaking to us through Jesus. That revelation is contained in the Bible. In addition to that, we don't need dreams and visions to guide us because we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who illuminates the Scriptures to us. The Scriptures reveal who Jesus is and the Holy Spirit illuminates that revelation to our hearts. That complete eliminates the need for visions and dreams.

 

I never said I support it, so no, no I don't. You made the claim without support.

 

Sorry none of that proves a lack of need.

 

If I am wrong, refute it. If not, it stands as is.

 

No. Because of the seal the Holy Spirit placed in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, Revelation 1:1-3. Revelation 22:18-19. v.18, ". . . I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, . . ."

 

Yeah, it does. There is nothing a vision can do that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can't already do. If you have God living inside you guiding you, enlightening the eyes of your heart, illuminating His Word, providing an inner witness to your heart, why would you need a vision? Why isn't the Holy Spirit and the Word of God enough?

 

Stands as is???......You haven't proven anything, and apparently don't care to or can't. If you want your statement to "stand as is" that is all you. I am ok with you being wrong. God bless.

 

The Bible doesn't say that at all and if your pastor told you that he is wrong.

Do you really believe they weren't revelatory? I have never seen anything in scripture that isn't revelatory. If they weren't then these instances should not be in scripture. Is this what you are saying?

I agree with this last statement, yet this statement does not eliminate the possibility of visions and dreams. As I said before "All things are possible with God" I don't believe we should ignore it
MB

 

I presented that the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh at this time and is doing exactly what the Christ stated. There is no Scripture that I recall of the work of the Holy Spirit toward the whole world other than what I posted. I did not recal at any point finding any presentation of the Holy Spirit during the millennial reign in any salvation capacity.

You seem to think the Holy Spirit is only given to the believers and has no dealings with the unregenerate. That thinking does not conform to the statement of Christ as to why the Holy Spirit was sent to the World.

The Spirit of God is a comforter to the assembly. and one that convicts all.

 

You are mixing revelation, visions, and dreams.

The OP is about dreams not visions.