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Let's see some Scriptural authority for APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION

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  1. Adonia

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    What a stupid and ignorant proposition. Other than those 6 words I just used, such a charge is not worthy of any serious response.
     
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    1 Corinthians 13
    1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

    Off the bat this makes your position trash.

    You don't believe what you say you believe.

    If understanding that dump of a philosophy of yours requires God direct intervention. Why are you here whining at us about it?

    If you had a lick of common sense you would be whining to God about it.

    You probably beat your car when you forgot to give it gas. Slap your wife when you didn't give her groceries to fix anything.

    Having senseless logic is common theme.

    As stupid as God ordaining the rape of children for his "glory" and you praying for it.
     
  4. Alan Gross

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    I don't know hat all this love is about, other than your dependence on 'philosophy', 'common sense', and 'logic'.

    If you are trying to say something, I don't know what it is.

    Obviously, whatever you have going on has not brought you to exemplifying that verse other than being a darn tootin' "noisy gong or a clanging cymbal"

    The flesh does that..
    .
     
  5. Alan Gross

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    My, my..thank you, very much.
     
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    Yeah, I know you don't have anything to respond.

    However,

    "He that has an ear,
    let him hear what The Spirit
    Says to the churches"

    (Revelation 2:17, 29, and 3:13).

    The Holy Spirit,
    is
    The Executive of the Godhead,
    Who Has Been Sent
    to Govern The Lord's churches
    as
    The Holy Spirit,
    Helps a church
    to decide important cases of
    Doctrine and Practice
    (Acts 15:28).
    ...


    The Holy Spirit,
    is
    The Executive of the Godhead,
    Who Has Been Sent
    to Govern The Lord's churches
    as
    The Holy Spirit,
    Selects men as missionaries (Acts 13).

    a. The Holy Spirit,
    Sends them out
    (Acts 13:14).

    b. The Holy Spirit,
    Determines their field of labor
    (Acts 16:6-10).
    ...



    The Holy Spirit,
    is
    The Executive of the Godhead,
    Who Has Been Sent
    to Govern The Lord's churches
    as
    The Holy Spirit,
    Rebukes, Warns
    or Encourages the churches.

    "He that has an ear,
    let him hear what The Spirit
    Says to the churches"

    (Revelation 2:17, 29, and 3:13).

    a. In the Scriptures
    (letters to the churches),
    The Holy Spirit,
    is Carrying on His Ministry
    of Governing the churches.

    b. Each letter is Authoritative
    because it is the Voice of
    The Holy Spirit,
    to the churches.
    ...

    II. THE HOLY SPIRIT
    EQUIPS HIS CHURCHES.

    A. Churches Today
    Must Function
    through
    Human Instrumentality.
    ...
    1. The Holy Spirit,
    calls men into this body
    (l Corinthians 12:13, 18).
    ...

    2. The Holy Spirit,
    gives the needed Spiritual Gifts to them
    to enable them
    in the work of the Lord
    (l Corinthians 12:23-24).
    ...
    B. The Holy Spirit,
    Gives the Word of God To His Churches.
    1. The Christian is compared to a soldier
    (Ephesians 6).

    a. Defensive implements are mentioned.

    b. One offensive weapon is mentioned
    - the Word of God
    (Ephesians 6:17 and Hebrews 4:12).
    ...
    2. From the Word, churches draw their instruction,
    creed, interpretation, practices, and all else.
    ...
    C. The Holy Spirit,
    Gives the Diversity of Necessary Gifts
    (Ephesians 4:8, 11-16).
    ...
    1. The officers mentioned are gifts from God.
    ...
    2. See also I Corinthians 12:10, 28-30.
    ...
    3. Without the varied gifts,
    the body would fail and fall apart.
    ...

    D. The Holy Spirit,
    Aids the Churches
    In Their Worship of God.

    1. The Holy Spirit,
    Assists in Prayers, Praise, Adoration,
    and Thanksgiving
    (John 4:23-24).
    ...
    2. See Ephesians 5:18-20, 6:18;
    Colossians 3:l6;
    and Romans 8:26.
    ===========
    [Outlines in Systematic Theology, p. 101.]
     
  7. Alan Gross

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    I must place your extreme compliment at the Feet of Jesus.

    The following ends with the word, 'hate'.


    The history of the "kind" of churches that Jesus Built is written in blood.

    ...

    Here you will find outward manifestations of the battle

    between

    The Kingdom of God
    and
    The Kingdom of Satan.

    ...

    THE FIRST SATANIC ERROR
    INVENTED
    for THE DEVELOPMENT
    of SATAN'S FALSE 'CHURCH',
    was by influence men
    to 'come up with' their own 'idea'
    of 'church' government.
    WITHOUT GOD,
    APART from GOD
    and
    in DENIAL and OPPOSITION
    to THE ETERNAL WORD of GOD.
    ...
    1. Church Government was Changed
    by Satan,
    to form Satan's own "church"

    ( while the Church Government
    of The Church that Jesus Built
    REMAINS THE SAME
    as when Jesus Founded
    His Churches,
    UNTO THIS DAY
    and
    the Church Government
    in The Churches that Jesus Built
    WILL CONTINUE to,
    REMAIN THE SAME
    UNTIL JESUS COMES AGAIN).

    ...

    In developing his FALSE 'church' Satan began

    by corrupting the doctrinal teachings

    of the Lord's churches

    from within.

    ...

    Satan has his servants in all churches.

    ...

    The first corruption came

    in Satan seeking to change

    the form of church government

    that Christ gave.

    ...

    Satan's subtility is seen in this.

    ...

    There was a plurality of elders (preachers)

    in the early churches.

    ...

    "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus,
    and called the elders of the church"

    (Acts 20:17).

    ...

    It seems that today we have a scarcity of preachers

    but not then.

    ...

    These elders were to be equal,

    one was not to lord it over another.

    ...

    "The elders which are among you I exhort,
    who am also an elder.

    . . .
    "Feed the flock of God which is among you,
    taking the oversight thereof,
    not by constraint, but willingly;
    ...
    "not for filthy lucre,
    but of a ready mind;
    ...
    "Neither as being lords
    over God's heritage (clergy),
    but being examples to the flock"

    (I Peter 5:1-3).

    ...

    See our Lord's instruction on equality

    (Matthew 23:1-12).

    ...

    Early in history, Satan led some away from that Truth.

    ...

    Diotrephes is an example given in 3rd John 9.

    ...

    We read in Revelation 2:15,

    "So hast thou also them
    that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans,
    which thing I hate."


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    The video has been removed.

    Hitler was a childhood Catholic but not an adult Catholic. He abolished Christmas long before the war.

    Castro kept some clergy around and even met with Popes but no one thinks that he was a Catholic but a mass murderer.

    Hitler had all sorts of collaborators, even some Jews like George Soros. It doesn't make Hitler good but makes them evil or just trying to stay alive.
     
  9. Alan Gross

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    I think the meaning, in Revelation 2:15, "of the Nicolaitans "lies in the name.

    "So hast thou also them
    that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans,
    which thing I hate."


    ...

    Nicolaitans comes from two Greek words.

    ...

    The first is nikaw which means "to conquer."

    ...

    The second is laos which means "people."

    ...

    So then it means

    to conquer the people or laity.
    ...

    Thus we have a ruling clergy.

    ...

    Thus developed an episcopal church government

    in place of a congregational one.

    ...

    "What kind of government is this?

    ...

    "Episcopacy, Episcopal."

    ...

    These terms are derived from the Greek 'episcopos,'

    meaning 'bishop.'

    ...

    They refer accordingly

    to that system of church government

    in which the principal officer is the bishop."

    Note 1

    ...

    Big Preachers
    - Big "Churches".

    ...

    Thus, some bishops with big egos

    began to feel more importance attached to them

    then to others.

    ...

    Their strong personalities helped them

    "climb the ladder."

    ...

    Bishops of the larger city churches

    became known as Metropolitans.

    ...

    They began to preside

    over the smaller country churches.

    ...

    The development of this kind of "church" government

    was gradual.

    ...

    The result is what we see in Roman Catholicism

    in the past and today.

    ...

    I will quote from the Lutheran historian, Mosheim,

    who is known as the father of modern church history:

    ...

    "Let none, however,
    confound the bishops
    of this primitive
    and golden period of the church
    with those of whom we read
    in the following ages;

    for though they were both distinguished by the same name,
    yet they differed in many respects.
    ...
    A bishop during the first and second century
    was a person who had the care of one Christian assembly,
    which, at that time was, generally speaking,
    small enough to be contained in a private house.
    ...
    In this assembly he acted,
    not so much with the authority of a master,
    as with the zeal and diligence of a faithful servant.
    ...
    He instructed the people,
    performed the several parts of divine worship,
    attended the sick, and inspected the circumstances
    and supplies of the poor.
    ...
    He charged, indeed, the presbyters
    with the performance of those duties and services,
    which the multiplicity of his engagements
    rendered it impossible for him to fulfill;

    but he had
    not the power to decide
    or enact anything
    without the consent of the presbyters
    and people;

    and though the episcopal office was both laborious
    and singularly dangerous,
    yet its revenues were extremely small,
    since these newly invented FALSE 'churches' of SATAN
    had no certain income,
    but depended on the gifts or oblations of the multitude,
    which were, no doubt, inconsiderable,
    and were moreover to be divided
    among the bishops, presbyters, deacons and poor.
    ...

    The power and jurisdiction
    of the bishops

    were not long confined to these narrow limits,
    but were soon extended by the following means.

    ...
    The bishops, who lived in the cities,
    had, either by their own ministry,
    or that of their presbyters,
    erected
    newly invented FALSE 'churches' of SATAN
    in the neighboring towns and villages.
    ...
    These
    newly invented FALSE 'churches' of SATAN
    continuing under the inspection
    and ministry of the bishops,
    by whose labors and counsels they had been engaged
    to embrace the Gospel,
    grew imperceptibly into ecclesiastical provinces,
    which the Greeks afterwards called dioceses.

    ...
    But as the bishop of the city could not extend his labors
    and inspection to all those
    newly invented FALSE 'churches' of SATAN
    in the country
    and in the villages,
    he appointed certain suffragans or deputies
    to govern and to instruct these new societies;
    and they were distinguished by the title
    chorepiscopi, i.e. country bishops.

    ...

    This order held the middle rank
    between bishops and presbyters.
     
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    The picture shows an adult Adolf Hitler leaving mass, at a Catholic 'church'.

    He fit in just great.

    8.5.2g: “ADOLF HITLER was A PERFECT CATHOLIC”.
     
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    Castro met with Popes. Hitler believed in eugenics and thought Darwin was scientific.
     
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    What do you have good to say about Baptists, to defend them in their stand for The Cause of Christ?
     
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    I agree with Baptist theology but I don't blame Rosalyn Carter because she was at an event in California with Jim Jones of Peoples Temple. That was a betrayal by Harvey Milk. I don't think Darwin is scientific and I think evolution is 100% wrong s scientifically.
     
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    Like I said, that kind of crap is not worthy of any response. Most of what you spew is garbage, pure garbage. You must be a former Catholic, as in my experience they can be the worst.
     
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    You are so ignorant. During the occupation of France for example, Hitler visited some of the beautiful cathedrals so I would guess that he was photographed leaving one of them. As for the German Army, they also had chaplains amongst their ranks including Protestant clergy and Catholic priests. Leave your hatred and turn to the love of Christ, your life will be a much better for doing so.
     
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    Still have nothing to say?

    Maybe you could sing, "Sympathy for the Devil", for us.

    Is everything RC teach:

    "Smile America, God Loves you,
    Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

    Is that what every verse in The Bible Teach?

    "Smile America, God Loves you,
    Don't Worry, Be Happy"?
     
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    Anything about Rosalyn Carter you have to bless us with?
     
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    Do you believe in evolution?
     
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    "Smile America, God Loves you,
    Don't Worry, Be Happy"?


    To be an Apostle, you had to be with Jesus and witness, first hand, His Life Risen from the grave.

    The Doctrine of the
    Nicolaitans comes from two Greek words.

    The first is nikaw which means "to conquer."

    The second is laos which means "people."

    So then it means

    to conquer the people or laity.

    Thus we have a ruling clergy.

    This is something Jesus Said that He Hated.

    Satan introduced this false religious teaching to produce a separate religious entity from that of Jesus.

    That was the first of hundreds of Satanic perversions to The New Testament churches Jesus Built and the churches of Satan are counterfeit and have nothing to do with God, except oppose Him and His children.

    'Apostolic Succession' is an imaged perversion inspired by Satan, as all his other false religious inventions are.

    RC is Anti-Christ in every respect.

    People who have no idea about The Bible's Teaching of the churches Jesus Loved and comply to Rome are Rome.

    God Hates Rome.
     
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