We did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes...

[church mouse guy]

UnScriptural, since Humans (descendants of Adam) were made the 3rd Day, BEFORE plants, herbs, rain and trees. Genesis 2:4-9 Today's Science teaches that the sons of God (prehistoric people) were made from WATER on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 teaches that "every living creature that moveth" was created from WATER. The sons of God (prehistoric people) moved as their bones clearly show. This means that Humans (descendants of Adam) were made long BEFORE any other living creature, making it impossible that Humans could have possibly descended from Apes.



Prehistoric people (sons of God) NEVER had agriculture, built cities, nor smelted metals, as Cain's descendants did. Genesis 4:17-20 The first farming, city building and smelting happened FIRST on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 There is NO evidence of these traits on planet Earth until AFTER Noah arrived, 11,000 years ago, in the mountains of Ararat. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Amen?

Where do you get your ideas? I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[BenWest]

Miller is the most respected exponent of evolutionary theory on the internet--and he is a devout Catholic theist. He likes to point out that Gregor Mendel, a Catholic monk, followed Augustinian scientific principles to invent the science of genetics, that demonstrates the truth of evolution.

Miller is wrong because he doesn't know that Adam was NOT made of flesh, but was made in the likeness of LORD God/Jesus, his Creator. Adam was made in the image of sinful flesh AFTER he sinned. Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people) AFTER Adam sinned. Genesis 6:4 The same thing happened on planet earth AFTER the flood because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Amen?

 

[BenWest]

Where do you get your ideas? I have no idea what you are talking about.

I know. It's because most Christians believe the ancient, superstitious Theology of people who lived more than 3,000 years ago. ONLY the people of the last days, with the "increased knowledge" available today can possibly understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4 It's all part of God's perfect plan. Amen?

 

[church mouse guy]

Miller is wrong because he doesn't know that Adam was NOT made of flesh, but was made in the likeness of LORD God/Jesus, his Creator. Adam was made in the image of sinful flesh AFTER he sinned. Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people) AFTER Adam sinned. Genesis 6:4 The same thing happened on planet earth AFTER the flood because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Amen?

Where do you get this stuff? Genesis says that Adam was flesh.

Genesis 2:21-24 (KJV) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

 

[church mouse guy]

I know. It's because most Christians believe the ancient, superstitious Theology of people who lived more than 3,000 years ago. ONLY the people of the last days, with the "increased knowledge" available today can possibly understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4 It's all part of God's perfect plan. Amen?

Are you saying that you are a Gnostic? I thought maybe you were a Jehovah's Witness. You seem to be saying that the English word day is not 24 hours and that DNA does not make your opinion irrelevant.

 

[BenWest]

Where do you get this stuff? Genesis says that Adam was flesh.

Sorry. I try to distinguish sinful flesh from the likeness of perfect flesh, which is what Lord God/Jesus has. Here is the likeness of perfect flesh:

Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spake.

Adam and Eve lost their likeness as the Lord when they sinned and were found in the likeness of sinful flesh. Gen 3:7 Humans will regain our likeness as Jesus at the Rapture.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

 

[church mouse guy]

Sorry. I try to distinguish sinful flesh from the likeness of perfect flesh, which is what Lord God/Jesus has. Here is the likeness of perfect flesh:

Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spake.

Adam and Eve lost their likeness as the Lord when they sinned and were found in the likeness of sinful flesh. Gen 3:7 Humans will regain our likeness as Jesus at the Rapture.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

You saud Adam was not flesh but Adam said that he and Eve were flesh.

You don't make any sense.

 

[BenWest]

Are you saying that you are a Gnostic? I thought maybe you were a Jehovah's Witness. You seem to be saying that the English word day is not 24 hours and that DNA does not make your opinion irrelevant.

I am a fundamental Bible believing born again Spiritual Baptist Christian. Here is the meaning of the word day in Hebrew:

yowm
Pronunciation
yōm day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x),ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
day, time, year

• 
  day (as opposed to night)

• day (24 hour period)

1. 1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
      
      
   2. as a division of time
      
      1. a working day, a day's journey
         
2. days, lifetime (pl.)
   
   
3. time, period (general)
   

We inherited our Humanity from Adam and our DNA from the prehistoric people which Noah's grandsons married after the flood.

 

[BenWest]

You saud Adam was not flesh but Adam said that he and Eve were flesh.

You don't make any sense.

Jesus blinded Saul on the road to Damascus. Do you think He was in the likeness of sinful flesh or did He have a likeness which was brighter than the noonday Sun? Also, flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. 1Co 15:50 Amen?

 

[church mouse guy]

I am a fundamental Bible believing born again Spiritual Baptist Christian. Here is the meaning of the word day in Hebrew:

yowm
Pronunciation
yōm day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x),ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
day, time, year

• 
  day (as opposed to night)

• day (24 hour period)

1. 1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
      
      
   2. as a division of time
      1. a working day, a day's journey
2. days, lifetime (pl.)
   
   
3. time, period (general)

We inherited our Humanity from Adam and our DNA from the prehistoric people which Noah's grandsons married after the flood.

DNA is the scientific blueprint that you inherit from your parents and that is why you look a little bit like each one of them.

The Genesis Flood killed all life that was not on the ark, not counting marine life that survived in the water. The people on the ark were Noah and his wife and their three sons and the wives of the three sons. Therefore you are descended from Adam and from Noah just like everyone else. Adam was a thieving gardener and Noah was a drunken sea captain. Some family tree.

 

[BenWest]

DNA is the scientific blueprint that you inherit from your parents and that is why you look a little bit like each one of them.

Amen. Today's Humans descended from a combination of people who descended from Humans (descendants of Adam) AND the sons of God (prehistoric people). Genesis 6:4

The Genesis Flood killed all life that was not on the ark, not counting marine life that survived in the water.

Amen, but the flood did NOT kill the one million prehistoric people who were already on planet Earth when Adam's firmament arrived from Adam's world 11,000 years ago, according to History. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

The people on the ark were Noah and his wife and their three sons and the wives of the three sons. Therefore you are descended from Adam and from Noah just like everyone else.

Who did Noah's grandsons marry? According to Genesis 6:4, it was the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were already here when the Ark arrived from Adam's destroyed world.

Adam was a thieving gardener and Noah was a drunken sea captain. Some family tree.

It's the same with ALL the Humans in the Bible. There is NONE righteous, no not one. Amen?

 

[church mouse guy]

Adam was the first person. No one survived the flood except the 8 people on the ark.

 

[BenWest]

Adam was the first person. No one survived the flood except the 8 people on the ark.

You didn't answer my question as to WHO did Noah's grandsons marry. Do you think it was their sisters? or fallen Angels, who do not have sex according to Jesus? Mat 22:30 Adam was the first Human but on Day 5 "every living creature that moveth" came forth from WATER. Genesis 1:21 AND https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...
Science agrees and shows the same thing. I keep posting Genesis 6:4 which clearly shows that Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God. Can you identify the sons of God Scripturally?

 

[church mouse guy]

You didn't answer my question as to WHO did Noah's grandsons marry. Do you think it was their sisters? or fallen Angels, who do not have sex according to Jesus? Mat 22:30 Adam was the first Human but on Day 5 "every living creature that moveth" came forth from WATER. Genesis 1:21 AND https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...
Science agrees and shows the same thing. I keep posting Genesis 6:4 which clearly shows that Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God. Can you identify the sons of God Scripturally?

Yikes, there was no law until Moses although Noah did receive a commandment from God that murderers should be put to death but nowhere in human history has that commandment been obeyed although Jesus said that if you loved Him that you would obey His commandments.

I don't know why you are linking the Smithsonian Magazine since you say that you are a Bible-believing Fundamentalist. I never saw a Fundamentalist go to a secular source that contradicted Scripture.

Genesis 1:21 only talks about the abundance of marine life, which you can see at an I-Max theater near you: Genesis 1:21 (KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

The sons of God just means people who didn't follow Cain. People married their brothers and sisters. Same after Noah although there would be some cousins by then. I think something like 30 states allow you to marry your cousin in this country. It was not a problem until the time of Moses when God said not to inbreed. The Muslims still do inbreed and they have a lot of deformity and mental disease because of it.

 

[BenWest]

Yikes, there was no law until Moses although Noah did receive a commandment from God that murderers should be put to death but nowhere in human history has that commandment been obeyed although Jesus said that if you loved Him that you would obey His commandments.

I don't know why you are linking the Smithsonian Magazine since you say that you are a Bible-believing Fundamentalist. I never saw a Fundamentalist go to a secular source that contradicted Scripture.

Genesis 1:21 only talks about the abundance of marine life, which you can see at an I-Max theater near you: Genesis 1:21 (KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

The sons of God just means people who didn't follow Cain. People married their brothers and sisters. Same after Noah although there would be some cousins by then. I think something like 30 states allow you to marry your cousin in this country. It was not a problem until the time of Moses when God said not to inbreed. The Muslims still do inbreed and they have a lot of deformity and mental disease because of it.

 

[BenWest]

I don't know why you are linking the Smithsonian Magazine since you say that you are a Bible-believing Fundamentalist. I never saw a Fundamentalist go to a secular source that contradicted Scripture.

IF Genesis is true, and it is, then it MUST agree with the discoveries of mankind. Otherwise, the interpretation is wrong, and it is, IF you follow the theology of ancient people who lived more than 3,000 years ago. There is but ONE Truth and the Spirit of Truth wrote the Truth which agrees with every discovery of mankind.

Genesis 1:21 only talks about the abundance of marine life, which you can see at an I-Max theater near you: Genesis 1:21 (KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

The bolded sentence says that "every living creature that moveth" came forth from Water. Do you believe what is actually written or do you follow the views of ancient men who did NOT know that fact?

The sons of God just means people who didn't follow Cain. People married their brothers and sisters. Same after Noah although there would be some cousins by then. I think something like 30 states allow you to marry your cousin in this country. It was not a problem until the time of Moses when God said not to inbreed. The Muslims still do inbreed and they have a lot of deformity and mental disease because of it.

Then please explain who Cain married. The only way to do that is to "add to" what is actually written. The Bible does NOT say that people married their brothers and sisters. IF you think it does, then please post chapter and verse. Only those who have been born again Spiritually are called the sons of God in the New Testament.

1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

 

[church mouse guy]

IF Genesis is true, and it is, then it MUST agree with the discoveries of mankind. Otherwise, the interpretation is wrong, and it is, IF you follow the theology of ancient people who lived more than 3,000 years ago. There is but ONE Truth and the Spirit of Truth wrote the Truth which agrees with every discovery of mankind.



The bolded sentence says that "every living creature that moveth" came forth from Water. Do you believe what is actually written or do you follow the views of ancient men who did NOT know that fact?



Then please explain who Cain married. The only way to do that is to "add to" what is actually written. The Bible does NOT say that people married their brothers and sisters. IF you think it does, then please post chapter and verse. Only those who have been born again Spiritually are called the sons of God in the New Testament.

1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not. 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

No, Scripture easily triumphs over Smithsonian junk. God was there, Jesus was there, the Holy Spirit was there--this is eye-witness testimony. The fifth day God says that he made aquatic animals and birds. What is so hard about that?

How many times do I have to write that there was no law until Moses? Therefore one could marry one's close relatives. There would be no DNA problems because the DNA was new. What is so complicated about that simple genetic statement?

 

[BenWest]

No, Scripture easily triumphs over Smithsonian junk.

Amen, if you have the correct interpretation, which you obviously do not. If you did, you would see that Scripture agrees with true scientific discoveries. You seem to think there are two Truths? Not so.

God was there, Jesus was there, the Holy Spirit was there--this is eye-witness testimony.

Amen.

The fifth day God says that he made aquatic animals and birds. What is so hard about that?

Because that is NOT what happened on the 5th Day. "Every living creature that moveth" was made from Water, EXACTLY as science has learned. Genesis 1:21 and
Smithsonian.com | Smithsonian Magazine | Smithsonian › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa... What is so hard about that?

How many times do I have to write that there was no law until Moses? Therefore one could marry one's close relatives. There would be no DNA problems because the DNA was new. What is so complicated about that simple genetic statement?

Because that is not what is written in Scripture and that doesn't agree with genetics. I notice also that you seem to think that the Truth of Scripture and Science don't agree. That's the problem since one would have to check with you to see the Truth of Genesis. Amen?.

 

[church mouse guy]

Amen, if you have the correct interpretation, which you obviously do not. If you did, you would see that Scripture agrees with true scientific discoveries. You seem to think there are two Truths? Not so.



Amen.



Because that is NOT what happened on the 5th Day. "Every living creature that moveth" was made from Water, EXACTLY as science has learned. Genesis 1:21 and
Smithsonian.com | Smithsonian Magazine | Smithsonian › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa... What is so hard about that?



Because that is not what is written in Scripture and that doesn't agree with genetics. I notice also that you seem to think that the Truth of Scripture and Science don't agree. That's the problem since one would have to check with you to see the Truth of Genesis. Amen?.

There is only one truth and that is Scripture.

 

[BenWest]

There is only one truth and that is Scripture.

Not so, since Scripture and science AGREE. If you don't believe me, then refute the following:

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang,

3. Chromosone 2 fusion shows that Adam, the first Human was first made, long before plants, herbs, rain, trees, or any prehistoric person. Genesis 2:4-7

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or air.

It's scientific and Scriptural proof that we live in the last days and also proof that ONLY the people of the last days with the increased knowledge of today can possibly understand Genesis.

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.