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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Jan 29, 2020.

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    That was the whole text in its Greek from. The first one is a matter of salvation. Post #60.
    I said portions.
     
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    נוסח ועידת ניקיאה

    The Nicene Creed was not written in Hebrew. It was written in Greek.
     
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    One Baptism:
    [Ephesians 4:4-6 NASB] 4 [There is] one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

    John the Baptist Typology:
    [Mark 1:4 NASB] 4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
    [Luke 3:3 NASB] 3 And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

    Acts Church reality:
    [Acts 2:38 NASB] 38 Peter [said] to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    [Acts 22:16 NASB] 16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'
     
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    This entire conversation was not written in Greek, it was written in English. Your use of Greek was intended as an act of intimidation. I was not intimidated and merely wanted to demonstrate that I could paste the creed in a foreign language as well. Would you have preferred Latin? I am sure the creed was copied many times in Latin.
     
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    My point is that those are issues that can have different held positions and beliefs, issues that we can disagree upon, but per the scriptures, do not rise to level of heresy!
     
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    I agree with you that much of what we discuss and disagree on are secondary issues, what causes them to arise to being heresy then?
     
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    The only item that JonC listed that I would see as being actual heresy would be RC doctrine!
     
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    Not per the bible!
     
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    None of these passages teach immersion for the forgiveness of sins.

    In Acts 22:16 for example, the Saul was instructed to do three things.
    First, "get up."
    Second, "be baptize."
    And the third, "wash away your sins, calling on His name."

    In Acts 2:38, Two things were instructed.
    Repent.
    Second, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. Which is not just the baptism. Forgivness of sins is in Jesus Christ, not the baptism.
    And BTW te "into" is by RC interpreted to mean "in order to."
     
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    Mine would be the 1689 LBCF, but the final authority would still be the scriptures themselves!
     
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    or who holds to infant baptism, or different eschatology, etc!
     
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    It doesn't!
     
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    Think all of the Baptists here would agree with that view of what the scriptures teach about water baptism, as against what Rome would hold!
     
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    I am sorry you feel that way. That was not my intention. The real sore point, for me, is the Nicene Creed false teaching, "the only begotten Son of God,
    begotten from the Father before all ages, . . ." The word of God teaches no such thing. And Arianism, which the creed is suppost to be against is rooted in that false notion. The creed tries to fix this by arguing, "begotten not made." Without the added words "not made" it is Arianism! The only begotten Son of God was not begotten nor made to be the Son. His Sonship has no cause. The only begotten Son is the uncaused Son of God. He is YHWH even as His Father is YHWH. The One YHWH.
     
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    It does not what?
     
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    I like it, but it is a little long for a quick litmus test.
     
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    He is the One who was eternally generated from and by His Father as the Eternal Word of God!
    Eternal Sonship, begotten asserts his deity, not degrades it!
     
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    Not essential.Christ said; ( "do this in remembrance of me" ) Instruction from the Lord may not be important to you. It would be heresy to ignore the instruction of Christ.
    MB
     
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    Scriptures do not teach baptismal Regeneration!
     
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    Not essential as in must be performed for a sinner to be saved, nor essential as to what mode is used!
     
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