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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Jan 29, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    means that eternal life being found now in Christ is a Free Gift to us from God!
     
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    [Eph 4:4-6 NASB] 4 [There is] one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

    Does Jesus have ONE Church or many?
     
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    Seems like just one, as in Hebrews 12:23!
     
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    Sorry, this is turning into a silly exercise in you throwing a ball and me chasing after it.

    Do you have something that you believe is REALLY not taught in scripture?

    (“Light from Light” indicates that Jesus is God and that Jesus comes from the Godhead. Do you really believe that this is a false teaching?)
     
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    Jesus stated that He came from the Father and was now returning to Him again, correct?
     
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    Again, the word "heresy" comes from the French, not the Bible (it is related to a Greek word meaning to "choose").

    Don't add to Scripture (especially French and English words).

    Words have meanings. Heresy does not mean non-Christian doctrine (although obviously a heresy can be thus severely a distortion).
     
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    Are you saying that heresy then does not exist as in not defined to us by the scriptures?
     
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    Not all that might be deemed heresy is damnable heresy.
     
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    Strong's dictionaty has -- heresy [which is the Greek word itself], sect.
    KJV.
    Sect 6x
    Heresy, hereies 4x - αἵρεσις - hairesis
     
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    I am saying "heresy" is a "doctrine or opinion at variance with established standards" and comes from the French word heresie.

    I am saying the word does not mean what you think it means and you should probably invest in a dictionary.

    Are you saying you believe "heresy"is a word used and defined in Scripture?
     
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    It is derived from the Greek (αἵρεσις, εως, ἡ ") meaning" to choose" (but does not mean to choose).

    But "heresy" itself is not a Greek word. And yes, we are speaking of sects. A heresy is a doctrine at odds with a sect (not necessarily at odds with Scripture it Christian doctrine as a whole).

    Strong's Concordance
    hairesis: choice, opinion
    Definition: choice, opinion
    Usage: a self-chosen opinion, a religious or philosophical sect, discord or contention.
    haíresis ("a strong, distinctive opinion") is used in the NT of individual "parties (sects)" that operated within Judaism. The term stresses the personal aspect of choice – and hence how being a Sadducee (Ac 5:17) was sharply distinguished from being a Pharisee (Ac 15:5; 26:5).
     
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    False. The Word, who is the uncaused Son, is the sole cause of all finite and temporal scts of God. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-17, 1 Corinthians 8:6, ". . . by whom are all things, . . ." Not all other things!

    Biblically, begotten refers explicitly to His incarnate resurrection in time, Acts of the Apostles 13:33.
     
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    You are not hearing. The true Light is never a light from light. The Son is God's Light, they are the uncaused God.

    It is nowhere taught in the written word of God that the Son was "begotten" in any way to be the Son of God.
     
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    I have no idea who the individual translators were, however I acknowledge that that version was ratified by a non-Baptist Reformed synod.

    I still believe that picking apart phrases for their word choice is straining at gnats in a document intended to prevent the swallowing of camels. The Nicene Creed serves as an effective first line of defense against non-Trinitarian and Jehovah’s Witness type heretical beliefs.

    Can one believe in a “Believer’s Baptism” and be saved? Yes.
    Can one believe in a “Covenant Baptism” and be saved? Yes.
    Is Believers vs Covenant Baptism an issue that would prevent salvation (a Camel that NEEDS to be strained)? No.
     
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    I am speaking of heresy as the term has historically meant throughout the history of the Christian Age, as scripture indeed indicates to us that even back in the time of the Apostles some false heretics had crept in among the flock!
     
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    I am saying that scriptures warns us against heretical doctrines of theology, yes!
     
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    God begot the Word, who became Jesus, who was and is God the Son, so that would mean that he was eternally God, not created by God!
     
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    Eternally Begotten, generated!
     
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    I agree with you, as this very discussion highlights how difficult it seems to be to get to a consensus on what is really heresy!
     
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    False. The Word was God.
     
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