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Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom


    “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 (NCPB)

    When Jesus says “this gospel of the kingdom”, he means the one he preached and not the one the Pharisees preached. But many today replace his kingdom with the Pharisee’s kingdom and believe that gospel instead.

    The main difference between Jesus’ kingdom and the Pharisee’s kingdom is their make-up. Jesus taught the kingdom is spiritual. The Pharisees taught the kingdom is physical. Jesus preached a kingdom of faith. The Pharisees preached a kingdom of sight. Jesus said the kingdom was present, the Pharisees said it was future., If you put it into theological terms, Jesus preached Amillennialism and the Pharisees preached Millennialism.

    But today, many side with the Pharisees and substitute their Millennialism as the kingdom Jesus preached which makes it a false gospel. Following are many proof texts that show Jesus taught an Amillennial kingdom only.

    Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

    “And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

    “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

    “Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

    “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

    “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

    “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

    “because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

    “Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

    “He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

    “When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

    “for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

    “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

    “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

    “That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

    “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

    So when Jesus preached the gospel of the spiritual kingdom, the Pharisees rejected him because it wasn’t what they expected. According to Daniel, God set up his everlasting kingdom in the time of the Roman Empire. But since the Pharisees read the kingdom prophecies as you would a cook-book, they rejected Jesus not grasping that he based his spiritual kingdom on prophetic symbols. This meant, Jesus in teaching a spiritual kingdom, revealed all the kingdom prophecies used material symbols to represent the spiritual realities in the kingdom of God. Some examples follow.

    Where the Pharisees sought a third temple saw by Ezekiel, Jesus claimed he is the temple. In fact the Jews killed him over this. Saying if they destroy this temple, speaking of his body, he would raise it up in three days.

    Where the Pharisees expected Elijah’s return, according to Jesus, John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah instead.

    Where the Pharisees expected David’s descendant to reestablish and rule from his throne over the world in Jerusalem, scripture teaches that Jesus now sits on David’s throne in heavenly Jerusalem above.

    And so it remains today. Many look for the prophetic symbols to appear instead of what they represent. And read the kingdom prophecies as the Pharisees did. And look for a future physical kingdom of sight. But some read the prophets symbolically as Jesus and the disciples taught, and see their fulfillment now by faith in his present spiritual kingdom over the world. Which is the gospel of the kingdom Jesus told us to preach until the end.
     
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    Hi, Dave. Are we really preaching what the Pharisees preached?
     
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    Unless you preach what Jesus preached you are or worse. Think about it. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom. Dispensationalism didn't exist in any popular form before the 1800s.
     
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    No. Biblical truth existed since the written word of God existed. That some modern understandings of the concepts of dispensatonalism was not taught as such until the late 1800's.
    1 Corinthians 9:17, ". . . For if I do it willingly, I haue a reward, but if I do it against my will, notwithstanding the dispensation is committed vnto me. . . ." -- Geneva Bible 1560.
     
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    This is the farthest stretch I've heard yet. Truth does not change.
     
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    Who is saying truth changes? How some men teach the truth does. God's word is immutable, Psalms 119:89.
     
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    I know. The main advantage to Dispensationalism is that they will be raptured during the Great Tribulation and one will get a break from them at that time.
     
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    Yet another long copy and paste OP to say the bible does not mean what it says. Such simple concepts such as a spiritual kingdom can exist before a physical kingdom are not to be found.

    Never mind progressive dispensationalism!!
     
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    This is a false prophecy. Not one scripture mentions a pre-trib rapture.
     
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    Why Dispensationalism if Jesus already preached the gospel of the kingdom. The Dispy kingdom is nowhere near Christ's teaching. But closest to the Pharisees.
     
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    It's just an attempt to build a better smokescreen.
     
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    STUDYING THE BIBLE is FUN.

    ...

    Adapted from
    Matthew 24 and the Great Tribulation
    Brian Schwertley.
    ...

    STUDYING THE BIBLE is FUN
    when we Know
    that we are ENABLED by THE HOLY SPIRIT
    to arrive at a correct understanding
    of
    WHAT GOD WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND.

    We can arrive at a correct understanding
    of Matthew 24 and the Great Tribulation,

    by Following The HOLY SPIRIT
    and READING GOD'S WORD,

    IN 'A WAY' THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOWS US
    WHAT GOD WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND.

    IN THAT WAY:

    STUDYING THE BIBLE is FUN.

    'A WAY' THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT
    IS ENABLED to SHOW US

    that STUDYING THE BIBLE is FUN
    and WHAT GOD WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND

    is by Following The HOLY SPIRIT
    and READING GOD'S WORD,

    employing Important common sense
    Interpretive Procedures:

    If one is to arrive at
    a correct understanding of the Olivet discourse,
    he must follow Biblical Principles of Interpretation

    (i.e. one must adopt a genuine

    grammatical-historical theological hermeneutic,

    meaning:

    grammatical = WHAT DO THE WORDS SAY?

    historical = WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE?

    theological = THE STUDY of GOD,

    hermeneutic = THE SCIENCE of "Interpretation")

    ...

    Some basic principles of Biblical Interpretation
    are as follows.

    (1) The section of Scripture in question
    ( Grammatically = WHAT DO THE WORDS SAY?)

    must be Interpreted in light
    of the original audience.

    ( Historically = WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE? )

    For example, would a first-century Jewish audience regard a phrase such as

    “blood, fire, vapor and smoke”

    THESE ARE BIBLE WORDS
    and GOD PUT THEM THERE.

    THE BIBLE CAN BE UNDERSTOOD.

    When The Bible Passage includes the Words

    “blood, fire, vapor and smoke”

    THEY WERE WRITTEN TO PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE,
    FOR THEM TO HEAR and UNDERSTAND,
    at THAT TIME.

    Acts 2:19, 20;

    "And I will show wonders in heaven above,
    and signs in the earth beneath

    -- blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

    "20 The Sun will be turned into darkness,
    and the Moon into blood

    before

    that Great and Notable Day of the Lord Come."

    ...

    Revelation 6:12; cf.;

    "And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake,

    and the Sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
    and the Moon became as blood;

    "13 and the Stars of Heaven fell to the Earth,

    even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs
    when she is shaken by a mighty wind.

    "14 And the Heaven departed as a scroll
    when it is rolled together,

    and every mountain and island
    were moved out of their places."

    ...

    Joel 2:28-32;

    "And it shall come to pass afterward
    that I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh;

    and your sons and your daughters will Prophesy, your old men shall dream Dreams,
    your young men will see Visions;

    "29 and also upon the servants
    and upon the handmaids in those days
    will I pour out My Spirit.

    30 "And I will show wonders in the Heavens
    and in the Earth--

    blood and fire and pillars of smoke.

    "31 The sun will be turned into darkness
    and the Moon into blood,

    before

    The Great and The Terrible Day of The LORD Come.

    "32 And it will Come to Pass,

    that whosoever will call on The Name of The LORD will be delivered;

    because in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
    will be deliverance,

    as the LORD Has Said,
    and in the remnant whom the LORD Will Call."

    ...
     
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    Ah, the gospel of the kingdom (John 3:3) is the current dispensation (1 Corinthians 9:17).
     
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    Its quite dishonest to argue that every other orthodox doctrine in which we disagree with is a false gospel. Further, its childish.
     
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    It's not the same kingdom. Jesus preached a spiritual kingdom. Today they preach the Pharisee's physical kingdom. You can laugh but you cannot prove me wrong.
     
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    Yes, that may be true but they believe it and so they have no more Plan B in case they meet the Anti-Christ than you do, huh, amigo.
     
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    The Papacy is Antichrist but you look for a different one in the future he deceived you into looking for.
     
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    Now Dave, you remember that I said Pope Francis is the Anti-Christ. But you don't believe that.
     
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    Biblically the rapture will not in any way take place prior to appearing of Christ and the resurrection of any of the dead in Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, ". . . For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: . . ." Also 1 Corinthians 15:52, John 6:40, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 20:4-6.
     
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    I pretty much agree with every word of this OP with sole exception of the word "Amillennial". Everything you described fits neatly with Preterism.

    That being said, the following comments of yours go further and further afield.
     
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