The In Between

[Salty]

I currently have two threads going:

For the Liberals : What the Christian Left wants: Second chance

and for the Conservatives: Reasons I disagree with the Left

The purpose of each page is for either side to make its point without comments for the other side.

So this page is for the "Debate"

 

[Salty]

I know the Left's position quite well myself but I do not make it practice to defend them, if at all. Rather, I use it to strengthen my arguments against them.

Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay - That is, a positive affirmation, or negation, according to your knowledge of the matter concerning which you are called to testify. Do not equivocate; mean what you assert, and adhere to your assertion. Hear what a heathen says on this subject: -

Εχθρος γαρ μοι κεινος ὁμως αιδαο πυλησιν,
Ος χ’ετερον μεν κευθει ενι φρεσιν, αλλο δε βαζει.
Hom. Il. ix. 312

“He whose words agree not with his private thoughts is as detestable to me as the gates of hell.”

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I don't really want to speak for my friends on the left, but I can list a few things in the political/social realm since no one on the left seems to be on Baptistboard:

• They want our society to create a large safety net for those who have life situations that undermine their ability to earn a living.

Nope, they want to redistribute wealth as a means of financial justice. In their minds it is immoral for wealthy people to have so much money while others have so little. This included redistributing American wealth to other poor nations.

• #15Revmitchell, Today at 5:38 AM

 

[Salty]

Sigh, dressing up garbage in christisnese doesnt change the nature or the intent of it. Its the whole putting lipstick on a skunk thing. And yes I am suspicious that these are your view points. Largely due to the wording of them and because of your lefty history of posting.

 

[Revmitchell]

I currently have two threads going:

For the Liberals : What the Christian Left wants: Second chance

and for the Conservatives: Reasons I disagree with the Left

The purpose of each page is for either side to make its point without comments for the other side.

So this page is for the "Debate"

I dont know what that means

 

[Baptist Believer]

Revmitchell said: ↑
Sigh, dressing up garbage in christisnese doesnt change the nature or the intent of it. Its the whole putting lipstick on a skunk thing.

Not “Christianese,” but as basic principles. The implementation of those principles may differ significantly from the way the political left may want to do things.

And yes I am suspicious that these are your view points.

You always seem to assume the worst of me, especially alleging that I am dishonest. That’s a reflection on your character, not mine.

Largely due to the wording of them...

I hate to state the obvious, but I am not quoting anyone specifically, I am explaining their beliefs in my own words. It is no wonder that it sounds like I wrote it. It is irrational to believe that just because I can understand and explain a position means I completely accept it.

For instance, I approve of the use of the death penalty for serious crimes. That’s different. I am also opposed to a simple single-payer healthcare system, although I think we should have a catastrophic healthcare safety net for medical costs over, let’s say $50,000, so people can purchase appropriate private insurance at greatly reduced prices to manage their everyday medical needs.

There are a number of other ways I differ, but I think I have made my point.

...and because of your lefty history of posting.

I have no doubt you see me as a “lefty” since you are so extreme in your beliefs. But your perceptions are no objective reality.

 

[Salty]

robustheologian posted elsewhere:
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An educated person who listens and acts questions of others with whom he disagrees can be fluent in their basic belief system.
The keyword here is educated...yet we seem to be dealing a lot with the opposite.



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An educated person who listens and acts questions of others with whom he disagrees can be fluent in their basic belief system.
The keyword here is educated...yet we seem to be dealing a lot with the opposite.

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If they are being unfairly or falsely attacked, then you should defend them. That's part of loving your neighbor/enemy.
"Defend them?!?" "Loving your neighbor/enemy?!?" But that's in the Bible...not in their Book of Trump.

"does according to His will" and "deposes kings"—"the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes."
#17robustheologian, 14 minutes ago

 

[robustheologian]

I think what's boggling is that there are people who actually think that those things are too much to ask for. So much for "What Would Jesus Do/Think?" SMH

 

[Salty]

I think what's boggling is that there are people who actually think that those things are too much to ask for. So much for "What Would Jesus Do/Think?" SMH

I would agree that asking the govt to pay off your college loan is way too much.

That is one of the things you are talking about, isnt it??

 

[robustheologian]

I would agree that asking the govt to pay off your college loan is way too much.

That is one of the things you are talking about, isnt it??

Considering that was never stated, this is clearly a strawman.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I don't really want to speak for my friends on the left, but I can list a few things in the political/social realm since no one on the left seems to be on Baptistboard:

• They want our society to create a large safety net for those who have life situations that undermine their ability to earn a living.
• They want our society to provide a means for young people starting out and those who lose their jobs due to technology or economic changes to learn technical skills as well as advance their education through public colleges and universities without drowning in debt.
• They want a way for everyone to have high-quality healthcare at a reasonable rate, without waste or favoritism, and are open to government-backed health systems as a possible means to that end.
• They don't want the government to fund religious groups or religious schools, maintaining institutional separation of church and state.
• They want all persons, regardless of gender, ethnicity, citizenship status, age, social standing, or wealth treated the same before the law.
• They want LGBTQ+ persons treated with humility and kindness, with all the rights, responsibilities, and privileges of citizenship in a secular government.
• They want fairness in the tax code, with persons reaping the most financial benefits from our nation's infrastructure to pay for a larger portion of what has made them successful.
• They want life preserved, from the womb to the tomb, including the elimination of the death penalty.
• They want our nation to have a robust immigration policy that allows temporary worker VISAs for agriculture and other seasonal labor, and attainable paths to citizenship for prospective immigrants.
• They also want our nation to work with other nations to resettle refugees and displaced people, leading by example.
• They want our nation to have a sensible and sustainable environmental policy, when possible, moving away from fossil fuels and developing more green solutions for energy and management of our natural resources. This mandate comes from God's original purpose for humankind to manage the earth properly as a steward to God.

There's more, but this is a sample of their positions off the top of my head.

There are any number of problems with that list. But the main one is that the Dem Progressive Left is not about those things in general, in fact hardly at all, and certainly not from a Christian perspective, nor from a pro-America perspective.

 

[Baptist Believer]

There are any number of problems with that list. But the main one is that the Dem Progressive Left is not about those things in general, in fact hardly at all, and certainly not from a Christian perspective, nor from a pro-America perspective.

A couple of things that should be obvious, but apparently are not:
(1) I was not asked about the "Dem Progressive Left," I was asked about Christians on the Left.
(2) A Christian is pro-world, not just pro-America. "America First" is a repudiation of our calling in Christ to do good for the entire world.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

A couple of things that should be obvious, but apparently are not:
(1) I was not asked about the "Dem Progressive Left," I was asked about Christians on the Left.
(2) A Christian is pro-world, not just pro-America. "America First" is a repudiation of our calling in Christ to do good for the entire world.

A couple of things that should be even more obvious, but apparently aren’t:
(1) A Christian leftist would be better off voting Rep than Dem. If that’s who they are, then fine.
(2) Evidently, it wasn’t stated strongly enough. Destroying America is what the Dem Progressive Left is about—they are anti-America, and that’s good for no one, especially not Christians.

 

[Benjamin]

(2) A Christian is pro-world, not just pro-America. "America First" is a repudiation of our calling in Christ to do good for the entire world.

To suggest that we can take care of the whole world is not even remotely a realistic possibility. If we do not put America first we will be overtaken by Progressive Globalists and will lose any ability to use our superior strengths to even help the rest of the world. It is like asking us to do something we would no longer have the freedom to do if we didn't put America First.

 

[Baptist Believer]

To suggest that we can take care of the whole world is not even remotely a realistic possibility.

I did not say, "take care of the whole world," I said be "pro-world" and "to do good for the entire world." That's a different thing than what you are claiming.

If we do not put America first we will be overtaken by Progressive Globalists...

Huh? As Christians, our first loyalty should be to Christ. As for our nation's policies, if we do right as a nation, we will have moral leadership and show a better way. You seem to think that doing good makes one a door mat. I know that's what the President thinks, but he is not your Lord.

...and will lose any ability to use our superior strengths to even help the rest of the world.

Nonsense.

It is like asking us to do something we would no longer have the freedom to do if we didn't put America First.

That's one of the most faithless things I've ever heard, but of course, it began with the falsehood that claimed I said we should "take care of the whole world."

 

[Baptist Believer]

(1) A Christian leftist would be better off voting Rep than Dem.

Not when the GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It is a personality cult based on the warped character of the President.

(2) Evidently, it wasn’t stated strongly enough. Destroying America is what the Dem Progressive Left is about—they are anti-America...

You really drank the Kool-Aid. No, the Progressive Left is not about destroying America, unless you mean an America that is about white supremacy, not the principles we have aspired to in our founding documents.

 

[Revmitchell]

Not when the GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It is a personality cult based on the warped character of the President.


You really drank the Kool-Aid. No, the Progressive Left is not about destroying America, unless you mean an America that is about white supremacy, not the principles we have aspired to in our founding documents.

Talk about drinking cool-aid good grief. By the way old Schumer himself said they were going to remake America so yea they want to destroy it.

 

[robustheologian]

Not when the GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It is a personality cult based on the warped character of the President.

And one of the biggest signs of being in a cult is denial. Look at the replies and you will see their denial in full effect.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Then there are folks like me who are pro-Trump by default as we are anti-Pelosi. That was long before Trump was anything but a wannabe real estate mogul.

 

[Salty]

Then there are folks like me who are pro-Trump by default as we are anti-Pelosi. That was long before Trump was anything but a wannabe real estate mogul.

I agree Squire - I could have supported most of the R candidates that were running for the nomination back in 2016. There was only one or two, I would not have.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Not when the GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It is a personality cult based on the warped character of the President.

You really drank the Kool-Aid. No, the Progressive Left is not about destroying America, unless you mean an America that is about white supremacy, not the principles we have aspired to in our founding documents.

Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid, those nonsense statements are directly from the Dem Progressive Left echo chamber of lies and hate.