Latest numbers from Europe,

[Wingman68]

Here is the summary data through October 9, 2021.

Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer: 12,835 deaths and 1,124,072 injuries to 09/10/2021

• 30,454 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 177 deaths
• 32,024 Cardiac disorders incl. 1,894 deaths
• 296 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 24 deaths
• 15,348 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 10 deaths
• 943 Endocrine disorders incl. 5 deaths
• 17,445 Eye disorders incl. 30 deaths
• 97,494 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 528 deaths
• 291,182 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 3,649 deaths
• 1,271 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 63 deaths
• 11,416 Immune system disorders incl. 66 deaths
• 40,375 Infections and infestations incl. 1,269 deaths
• 14,956 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 201 deaths
• 28,358 Investigations incl. 404 deaths
• 7,934 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 231 deaths
• 145,368 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 159 deaths
• 922 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 91 deaths
• 195,566 Nervous system disorders incl. 1,394 deaths
• 1,495 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 44 deaths
• 177 Product issues incl. 1 death
• 20,700 Psychiatric disorders incl. 164 deaths
• 3,873 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 209 deaths
• 30,210 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 4 deaths
• 48,955 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 1,504 deaths
• 53,542 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 116 deaths
• 2,209 Social circumstances incl. 17 deaths
• 1,318 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 36 deaths
• 30,241 Vascular disorders incl. 545 deaths

Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273 (CX-024414) from Moderna: 7,322 deaths and 328,594 injuries to 09/10/2021

• 6,545 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 69 deaths
• 10,153 Cardiac disorders incl. 787 deaths
• 130 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 3 deaths
• 4,082 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 3 deaths
• 279 Endocrine disorders incl. 3 deaths
• 4,949 Eye disorders incl. 22 deaths
• 27,956 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 286 deaths
• 88,398 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 2,715 deaths
• 540 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 30 deaths
• 2,817 Immune system disorders incl. 11 deaths
• 10,710 Infections and infestations incl. 562 deaths
• 7,148 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 134 deaths
• 6,185 Investigations incl. 130 deaths
• 3,158 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 170 deaths
• 40,736 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 149 deaths
• 407 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 48 deaths
• 56,868 Nervous system disorders incl. 735 deaths
• 629 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 8 deaths
• 65 Product issues incl. 2 deaths
• 6,131 Psychiatric disorders incl. 129 deaths
• 1,898 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 131 deaths
• 5,644 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 6 deaths
• 14,462 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 743 deaths
• 17,687 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 65 deaths
• 1,480 Social circumstances incl. 28 deaths
• 1,131 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 74 deaths
• 8,406 Vascular disorders incl. 279 deaths

Total reactions for the vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 5,633 deaths and 1,027,132 injuries to 09/10/2021

• 12,420 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 227 deaths
• 17,765 Cardiac disorders incl. 638 deaths
• 169 Congenital familial and genetic disorders incl. 7 deaths
• 12,102 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 1 death
• 545 Endocrine disorders incl. 4 deaths
• 18,094 Eye disorders incl. 27 deaths
• 99,247 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 294 deaths
• 270,596 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1,355 deaths
• 892 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 54 deaths
• 4,190 Immune system disorders incl. 26 deaths
• 28,330 Infections and infestations incl. 359 deaths
• 11,689 Injury poisoning and procedural complications incl. 162 deaths
• 22,549 Investigations incl. 132 deaths
• 11,969 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 83 deaths
• 153,909 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 82 deaths
• 554 Neoplasms benign malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 18 deaths
• 212,950 Nervous system disorders incl. 884 deaths
• 483 Pregnancy puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 10 deaths
• 174 Product issues incl. 1 death
• 19,153 Psychiatric disorders incl. 56 deaths
• 3,848 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 56 deaths
• 14,092 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 2 deaths
• 36,247 Respiratory thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 673 deaths
• 47,145 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 42 deaths
• 1,361 Social circumstances incl. 6 deaths
• 1,240 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 24 deaths
• 25,419 Vascular disorders incl. 410 deaths

Total reactions for the COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson: 1,457 deaths and 83,970 injuries to 09/10/2021

• 786 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 36 deaths
• 1,428 Cardiac disorders incl. 137 deaths
• 30 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders
• 805 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 1 death
• 52 Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
• 1,140 Eye disorders incl. 6 deaths
• 7,423 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 66 deaths
• 21,965 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 381 deaths
• 104 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 9 deaths
• 347 Immune system disorders incl. 7 deaths
• 2,564 Infections and infestations incl. 102 deaths
• 791 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 16 deaths
• 4,223 Investigations incl. 88 deaths
• 502 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 34 deaths
• 12,777 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 34 deaths
• 41 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 2 deaths
• 16,999 Nervous system disorders incl. 160 deaths
• 31 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 1 death
• 21 Product issues
• 1,143 Psychiatric disorders incl. 13 deaths
• 325 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 16 deaths
• 1,356 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 5 deaths
• 2,985 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 167 deaths
• 2,565 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 5 deaths
• 258 Social circumstances incl. 4 deaths
• 606 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 45 deaths
• 2,703 Vascular disorders incl. 121 deaths

 

[Wingman68]

VAERS & CDC have been massaging the numbers for quite some time.

 

[KenH]

• "Claims that millions of people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine are unfounded. The claim is based on a misreading of sources that include the U.S. government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and Europe’s EudraVigilance databases
  
  
• Both systems are federal databases in which any potential adverse health effects from vaccines and medicines are reported.
  
  
• Both systems warn that reports do not prove on their own that a vaccine caused an adverse health event, and should not be used as a primary source."
  

PolitiFact | Report shares wildly unfounded claims on COVID-19 vaccine (includes list of sources)

 

[Wingman68]

• "Claims that millions of people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine are unfounded. The claim is based on a misreading of sources that include the U.S. government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and Europe’s EudraVigilance databases
  
  
• Both systems are federal databases in which any potential adverse health effects from vaccines and medicines are reported.
  
  
• Both systems warn that reports do not prove on their own that a vaccine caused an adverse health event, and should not be used as a primary source."

PolitiFact | Report shares wildly unfounded claims on COVID-19 vaccine (includes list of sources)

Welcome back to the ‘world’ that you left. After getting rid of a few more members here, the climate is warming to the left, just like everything else they control, like talking points delivered by politifact, soros funded.

 

[KenH]

Welcome back to the ‘world’ that you left.

Thank you.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I find myself wondering about the provenance of the O.P.
Here is the website of the European Medicines Agency: Who we are | European Medicines Agency
Here is its report on the safety of Covid vaccines: Safety of COVID-19 vaccines | European Medicines Agency If you care to scroll down just a little, you will see at the end of its summary that:

• The vast majority of known side effects of COVID-19 vaccines are mild and short-lived.
• Serious safety problems are extremely rare.

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[JonC]

So, using @Wingman68 's data, you have a:

.0092% chance of dying from a vaccine.

The actual percentage is .00176% (his numbers are inflated to include deaths not directly connected to vaccines).

But even using @Wingman68 's numbers you are 52 times more likely to die of covid than a vaccination.

Regarding propaganda- notice how people shift from percentages to numbers when they belue e it will have an emotional impact.

 

[JonC]

To illustrate what I mean by tools used to spark emotion.

Only 0.0623% of the population has died of covid.

4,907,153 people have died of covid in less than 2 years.

 

[Wingman68]

So, using @Wingman68 's data, you have a:

.0092% chance of dying from a vaccine.

The actual percentage is .00176% (his numbers are inflated to include deaths not directly connected to vaccines).

But even using @Wingman68 's numbers you are 52 times more likely to die of covid than a vaccination.

Regarding propaganda- notice how people shift from percentages to numbers when they belue e it will have an emotional impact.

Yeah, not from my #’s.

 

[JonC]

Yeah, not from my #’s.

Yes. That is from the numbers YOU posted on tge OP.

You said Europe has experienced a .0092% death rate from the vaccines - you used the number 27,247 (although the actual number is just under 6,000). I went with your testimony which would equate to 0.0092%.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Yes. That is from the numbers YOU posted on tge OP.

The OP has no numbers on COVID deaths.

But even using @Wingman68 's numbers you are 52 times more likely to die of covid than a vaccination.

@Wingman68 didn't post COVID death rates. You're telling a half-truth with that familiar practiced eloquence.

 

[JonC]

The OP has no numbers on COVID deaths.



@Wingman68 didn't post COVID death rates. You're telling a half-truth with that familiar practiced eloquence.

Don't play dumb. The OP says 24,247 died from clcivid vaccinations (a 0.0092% mortality rate).

The covid mortality rate (excluding age, etc) is 3.4%. But anti-vaxers prefer to use estimations from over a year ago of .5%.

Either way the risk of serious reactions to the vaccines are far (very much lower) less than tge risk of covid death.

Time has moved on, brother. Science has left you in the dust just as it left the flat- earthers in the dust long ago.

 

[Wingman68]

Don't play dumb. The OP says 24,247 died from clcivid vaccinations (a 0.0092% mortality rate).

The covid mortality rate (excluding age, etc) is 3.4%. But anti-vaxers prefer to use estimations from over a year ago of .5%.

Either way the risk of serious reactions to the vaccines are far (very much lower) less than tge risk of covid death.

Time has moved on, brother. Science has left you in the dust just as it left the flat- earthers in the dust long ago.

Insults are unbecoming of your position. Of course, your position allows it, & seems to encourage it. You have been quite successful in squashing your brothers here. It appears you are not yet satiated. Not a good look.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...accinated_are_looking_smarter_every_week.html

 

[JonC]

Insults are unbecoming of your position. Of course, your position allows it, & seems to encourage it. You have been quite successful in squashing your brothers here. It appears you are not yet satiated. Not a good look.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...accinated_are_looking_smarter_every_week.html

No. The OP DID provide a number of vaccinated deaths. I am using your numbers, bro. Stop complaining.

If you get a vacvine, per your numbers, there is a 0.0092% of death. This is less than yoyr chances of dying from covid.

 

[Wingman68]

No. The OP DID provide a number of vaccinated deaths. I am using your numbers, bro. Stop complaining.

If you get a vacvine, per your numbers, there is a 0.0092% of death. This is less than yoyr chances of dying from covid.

How do you come up with percentages when you only have half the equation? You must be really smart, or psychic maybe. What I’m complaining about is your attitude. ‘Don’t play dumb’ & your new word for the day, used twice already…..flat earthers. Goad on, brother, it’s not working.

 

[JonC]

How do you come up with percentages when you only have half the equation? You must be really smart, or psychic maybe. What I’m complaining about is your attitude. ‘Don’t play dumb’ & your new word for the day, used twice already…..flat earthers. Goad on, brother, it’s not working.

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Because we already know the other half of the equation.

You don't because you do not (by your statements) believe that the sars-cov-2 virus exists.

 

[Wingman68]

Because we already know the other half of the equation.

You don't because you do not (by your statements) believe that the sars-cov-2 virus exists.

Do we now? By my #’s?
You are twisting, & taking liberties with the truth in your second sentence. Please provide my quote. Was it from one of my ‘what if’ posts?
Good thing I don’t take your statements as fact or I might be misinformed…….

 

[JonC]

Do we now? By my #’s?
You are twisting, & taking liberties with the truth in your second sentence. Please provide my quote. Was it from one of my ‘what if’ posts?
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Misinformation.

In the clinical trials so far no children have died or even experienced serious effects. The does is not the same in the adult vaccine but so far it looks like the vaccines will be effective in children.

I understand that you, and the anti-covid-vaxers, deny science. You believe covid does not exist.

The Virus Is Fictitious.” CDC Sued by 7 Universities’ Scientists for Huge Fraud
june 4, 2021 by canadaman2020

What if there is no ‘covid 19’? It has yet to be isolated. What we do know is many people are suffering & expiring from the ‘cure’.

 

[Wingman68]

Misinformation.

In the clinical trials so far no children have died or even experienced serious effects. The does is not the same in the adult vaccine but so far it looks like the vaccines will be effective in children.

I understand that you, and the anti-covid-vaxers, deny science. You believe covid does not exist.

You verify my post & then continue on your merry way spouting garbage. It’s always worked for you to this point, so enjoy, but don’t fool yourself that you are making hay with the readers. You really should think about someone other than your own ‘wins’ for a change.

Good people, very good people, have been driven from this Christian venue. That is on you. End of story. Own it. I feel the same as rlvaughn did when he left. Would you like me to pull his quote? I feel the loss of SGO, aaron, CMG, & others who were invested here, & had many friends. I know some others who don’t come around much anymore because they feel frustrated that they can’t speak without being drug down. The Jon show.

Admins try to start off topic threads so that people may be diverted into reasonable conversation. Admirable. You, Jon, start thread after thread, & even a sticky to continue the Jon show. Who is the top poster of the day/week/month? Three guesses, first two don’t count.

 

[JonC]

You verify my post & then continue on your merry way spouting garbage. It’s always worked for you to this point, so enjoy, but don’t fool yourself that you are making hay with the readers. You really should think about someone other than your own ‘wins’ for a change.

Good people, very good people, have been driven from this Christian venue. That is on you. End of story. Own it. I feel the same as rlvaughn did when he left. Would you like me to pull his quote? I feel the loss of SGO, aaron, CMG, & others who were invested here, & had many friends. I know some others who don’t come around much anymore because they feel frustrated that they can’t speak without being drug down. The Jon show.

Admins try to start off topic threads so that people may be diverted into reasonable conversation. Admirable. You, Jon, start thread after thread, & even a sticky to continue the Jon show. Who is the top poster of the day/week/month? Three guesses, first two don’t count.

No. Even Reformed1689 indicated your error.

You posted that covid was fake. Now you are backing off your comment. That is fine. You need to back away from it.

It is not your business how much I post. I'll post ever minute if I feel like it.

Stop trying to take away other people's freedoms.