I Tim 2:8-14

[Reynolds]

I hear many on here say Paul's command was due to culture. In context, that is utter nonsense. Paul plainly stated the man was created first and the woman was deceived first. Those two facts will never change nor be altered by culture. Just as the pain of childbirth is on woman forever, so is the Biblical command she be subject to man.

 

[Reformed1689]

I hear many on here say Paul's command was due to culture. In context, that is utter nonsense. Paul plainly stated the man was created first and the woman was deceived first. Those two facts will never change nor be altered by culture. Just as the pain of childbirth is on woman forever, so is the Biblical command she be subject to man.

Has absolutely nothing to do with culture.

 

[Reynolds]

Has absolutely nothing to do with culture.

Agreed. It amazes me how many discount this pass age as being cultural and only for Paul's time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I hear many on here say Paul's command was due to culture. In context, that is utter nonsense. Paul plainly stated the man was created first and the woman was deceived first. Those two facts will never change nor be altered by culture. Just as the pain of childbirth is on woman forever, so is the Biblical command she be subject to man.

Have you told your wife that she is subject to man?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Has absolutely nothing to do with culture.

Nobody says it does. So would you say it is about obedience?

 

[Reformed1689]

Have you told your wife that she is subject to man?

If we are going through the Bible with our families, then yes, it should have come up that the wife is to submit to the husband and they are underneath the leadership of men in the church as well. Absolutely.

 

[Reynolds]

Have you told your wife that she is subject to man?

Yes. She fully agrees with Scripture that she is subject to her husband as I am subject to Christ.
Why would she disagree with Ephesians 5?
Why would I be scared to read Ephesians 5 to her?

You scared to tell your wife or you don't believe Eph 5?

 

[Reynolds]

Nobody says it does. So would you say it is about obedience?

Quite a few people do. Especially when you see the issue addressed In I Corinthians.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If we are going through the Bible with our families, then yes, it should have come up that the wife is to submit to the husband and they are underneath the leadership of men in the church as well. Absolutely.

LOL,Good luck with that!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes. She fully agrees with Scripture that she is subject to her husband as I am subject to Christ.
Why would she disagree with Ephesians 5?
Why would I be scared to read Ephesians 5 to her?


You scared to tell your wife or you don't believe Eph 5?

fear my wife…. No I respect and admire her. Her not being a slave to me or any other male, well you will have to take it up with her but it doesn’t sit well with her.

 

[Reynolds]

fear my wife…. No I respect and admire her. Her not being a slave to me or any other male, well you will have to take it up with her but it doesn’t sit well with her.

Ephesians 5 does not sit well with your wife?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ephesians 5 does not sit well with your wife?

must have something to do with must submit that she objects to. We are partners not subservient to one another. And I’ve never demanded that she submit to me. Perhaps that’s why we have been happily married for 35 years.

Now my brother and his ex-wife are a whole different story. He demanded she submit to him and she handed him divorce papers. That submission thing costs dearly.

So do you demand that your wife submit to you and how’s that working out?

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I hear many on here say Paul's command was due to culture. In context, that is utter nonsense. Paul plainly stated the man was created first and the woman was deceived first. Those two facts will never change nor be altered by culture. Just as the pain of childbirth is on woman forever, so is the Biblical command she be subject to man.

I hear this argument from liberals (or those who have liberal tendencies) frequently. Liberals hate Paul's epistles, and many of the hardcore liberals will even deny that his writings are scripture. If this claim is true then I guess none of the bible applies to us, only to those of whom it was written to at the time.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

fear my wife…. No I respect and admire her. Her not being a slave to me or any other male, well you will have to take it up with her but it doesn’t sit well with her.

I guess you'll need to point us all to that part in the bible where God tells us to obey Him so long as it agrees with us.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

must have something to do with must submit that she objects to.

Well, then your wife has a problem with God since that is His word.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, then your wife has a problem with God since that is His word.

nope, she prefers love to subjugation.

1 Corinthians 13:4–8a (ESV) Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I hear this argument from liberals (or those who have liberal tendencies) frequently. Liberals hate Paul's epistles, and many of the hardcore liberals will even deny that his writings are scripture. If this claim is true then I guess none of the bible applies to us, only to those of whom it was written to at the time.

I’m not a liberal so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I’m not a liberal so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Yes, you are - liberalism starts small like with what you are doing. It slowly whittles away biblical doctrine and ends up with those who hold to it mocking the word of God.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, you are - liberalism starts small like with what you are doing, and mocking God's word, it slowly whittles away biblical doctrine.

You can take that up with my wife. I’m not the liberal.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

nope, she prefers love to subjugation.

1 Corinthians 13:4–8a (ESV) Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

Passages about homosexuality also "don't sit well" with certain demographics, and they choose to ignore those as well. Disregarding God's word for your own feelings or doctrine IS liberalism.

1 Corinthians 13 does not cancel out 1 Timothy 2. Do you view all scripture as God-breathed? Or do you think 2 Timothy 3 is also evil?