Featured Those who deny the general redemption.

Those who teach a general redemption, that Christ died for everyone, yet knowing everyone isnt saved or going to be saved, that means they deny the saving death of Christ. Christs death/stripes heals, saves, brings about ones salvation !

 

37, you actually believe in a particular atonement. It's just that in your version the human decides whether the atonement is effective, not God.

 

Same old song different thread. Were saved by His life not His death. If Christ is not raised you are still in your sins in other words lost. That is a concept you have yet to grasp.

 

No Austin I don't think he does. He has said a number of times now it is a general redemption. Christ paid the sin debt for all humanity but only those that trust in the risen Lord will be saved. We will all live again some in glory and some in shame.

 

Those He died for are saved by His death, for it is written 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes[death] ye were healed.

His resurrection testifies to the saving effects of His death, and you deny this !

 

Indeed, General atonement denies the power of the atonement to those who are perishing, making man the sole arbitrator regarding whether the atonement is effective or not.

 

Your imaginary idea that I couldn't have confidence in my redemption without a general atonement has already been refuted by me in another thread where I showed scripture showing we can have confidence in the Holy Spirit's quickening and gifting to us faith.

I have shown you that your idea of atonement makes you the arbiter of your own redemption and thus makes you the person who particularly determines how effective Jesus atonement is.

I have shown you that if general atonement is universal atonement, like you have claimed, then all humans would be universally saved because they would stand before God the Father with zero sins to their deficit, having been made fully holy by the blood of Jesus the Son.
Yet, you deny the power of Jesus atonement to the perishing. Your very denial tells Jesus that his death failed many for whom He died. You openly declare Jesus as being weak in that man holds the keys to his own salvation and God cannot do anything to prevent them from going to hell.

But, you won't even think through the massive contradictions of your position. Instead you will keep denying and tell me I don't understand when it is you who won't look at your massive contradictions that stand before you. Actually look at the problems you have in your position.

 

General Redemption is a logical choice, it is taught in many churches, and it was taught in my seminary.

Christ died for the world, but not in the same way that he died for the elect.

 

He died to save the elect. He died to provide common grace to the rest of the world.

 

Stop feigning ignorance. Look at the past threads where I pointed this out directly to you.
Look at this thread where you claim a universal atonement yet you deny it at the same time and declare that only some people will be saved.

Either the atonement makes people sinless before God or it doesn't.

You claim it does.

Yet, you say that a person still can be damned to hell.

How? Why?

Please answer the last two questions.

How is a sinless person damned to hell when Jesus has fully atoned for their sins?

Why would a judge condemn a pardoned person to hell?

You need to answer those two questions if you are going to hold to general atonement.

 

Oh, please, you understand the concept of common grace. I don't have 20 pages to lay out the support for the idea.