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The J6 tapes finally released

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JonC

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I wasn’t talking about Ashli, I was talking about Roseanne Boyland, & the white haired woman wearing red white & blue who was thrown down the steps. Too bad they didn’t take pictures to share with the world of the injuries & beatings in the DC gulags. Again, did you read McKellop’s story? Or have you already determined he’s not worthy of your excess time? These pics are lame, btw, what made the perfect circles on the guy’s back…..must have been in the wrong place when the cops were firing rubber bullets on everybody.
Too bad they didn't. If they had then we could discuss them as well.
 

JonC

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I wasn’t talking about Ashli, I was talking about Roseanne Boyland, & the white haired woman wearing red white & blue who was thrown down the steps. Too bad they didn’t take pictures to share with the world of the injuries & beatings in the DC gulags. Again, did you read McKellop’s story? Or have you already determined he’s not worthy of your excess time? These pics are lame, btw, what made the perfect circles on the guy’s back…..must have been in the wrong place when the cops were firing rubber bullets on everybody.
The only Roseanne Boyland I can think of was the lady trampled in the riot. You can see this in the video (no officers directly around her).

Whoever organized the protest is responsible for that.


Yes, I realize that metal poles leaves perfectly round circles (I dropped a pole end down on my foot once).

I actually stopped at the video in the OP and Revmitchell's post. The only member that seems to be open to facts (even though he and I disagree) is @Reynolds .

Revmitchell and the video in the OP makes false claims about the Babbitt shooting. Those must be addressed before I read or watch anything.

The problem is people say stuff they get from a propaganda site, when the site is proven to have lied they just go on to something else that they say on that propaganda site, when that's proven to be a lie they go to something else they saw on that site.....it's stupidity.

People are just looking for, and believing, anything that fits the narrative they want to hear.

We have to deal honestly with facts, not start joining the police are evil movement.


There were failures at the Jan 6th riots on all sides.

But the focus of the left and the alt-right seems to be using that event for political gain and creating false narratives to do so rather than truly investigating the event.
 

percho

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I don't know how many votes he received. I know that some of the claims of fraud were false, but I believe many were not.

But I do believe that there were enough electoral certificates (which is what matters outside of the state level) to install Biden.

I don't believe that was an insurrection. It was a riot with some there to protest, but it is obvious that many came to riot (they came with weapons...one had two guns on him and several in his truck....with gas masks, chemical spray, baseball bats, batons, radios, and the funniest part - that ax).

I watched the video of the woman climbing through that window and being shot. That's the only one I saw.

Fair enough.

Do you believe the vote total in the state of Georgia was true enough for the electoral votes to go to Biden? Especially in counties of and surrounding Atlanta ?

Why does it appear that, even though it is the law, election records can not be viewed by Joe Public and are not kept for the legal time. Why should one need to go to court to exam election records and why do judges rule against the examination of those election records?
 

JonC

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Fair enough.

Do you believe the vote total in the state of Georgia was true enough for the electoral votes to go to Biden? Especially in counties of and surrounding Atlanta ?

Why does it appear that, even though it is the law, election records can not be viewed by Joe Public and are not kept for the legal time. Why should one need to go to court to exam election records and why do judges rule against the examination of those election records?
Unfortunately yes. But it was the metro areas that carried the DNC vote.

GA did go back and verify the results, several times.

The physical election records are kept for 2 years as required by law. They have been made public.

You can download GA voting records from 2012 to present from the GA Secretary of State website.
 

percho

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I wonder what the result of J6 would have been had those in charge had not turned down the offer of the military?
 

percho

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Unfortunately yes. But it was the metro areas that carried the DNC vote.

GA did go back and verify the results, several times.

The physical election records are kept for 2 years as required by law. They have been made public.

You can download GA voting records from 2012 to present from the GA Secretary of State website.


GA did go back and verify the results, several times.

What does that mean?

Were the ballots verified? Were ballots that were mailed to named persons verified they were returned from those named persons? Signed, sealed and delivered.

Let's see this is December 2, 2023

What was taking place in China on December 2, 2019?
What is taking place in China on December 2, 2023?

What took place on November 3, 2020?


Hide and watch!
 

Revmitchell

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For the record there is no such thing as the "alt-right". That is a demonization tactic used by the left and the Repubs to minimize any real effort to overcome the evil being done by both of them. Just as there is no such thing as a Christian Nationalist. These are tactics used under the leftists revolutionary plan:
  1. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” (p. 127)
  1. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that the organizer should always regard as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and “frozen.” By this I mean that in a complex, interrelated, urban society, it becomes increasingly difficult to single out who is to blame for any particular evil. There is a constant, and somewhat legitimate, passing of the buck. In these times of urbanization, complex metropolitan governments, the complexities of major interlocked corporations, and the interlocking of political life between cities and counties and metropolitan authorities, the problem that threatens to loom more and more is that of identifying the enemy.” (pp. 130-131).
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky

Using phrases like 'alt-right" and Christian Nationalist should have no place in Christian conversations. If one cannot debate issues without using these and others like them then they have lost the debate. Depending on such tactics shows the weakness of the argument. It's nothing but a prop to weakness.
 

JonC

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For the record there is no such thing as the "alt-right". That is a demonization tactic used by the left and the Repubs to minimize any real effort to overcome the evil being done by both of them. Just as there is no such thing as a Christian Nationalist. These are tactics used under the leftists revolutionary plan:
  1. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” (p. 127)
  1. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that the organizer should always regard as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and “frozen.” By this I mean that in a complex, interrelated, urban society, it becomes increasingly difficult to single out who is to blame for any particular evil. There is a constant, and somewhat legitimate, passing of the buck. In these times of urbanization, complex metropolitan governments, the complexities of major interlocked corporations, and the interlocking of political life between cities and counties and metropolitan authorities, the problem that threatens to loom more and more is that of identifying the enemy.” (pp. 130-131).
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky

Using phrases like 'alt-right" and Christian Nationalist should have no place in Christian conversations. If one cannot debate issues without using these and others like them then they have lost the debate. Depending on such tactics shows the weakness of the argument. It's nothing but a prop to weakness.

Websters Dictionary -

alt-right : a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism



That is how we get the misinformation @Revmitchell was spreading about Jan 6 and the woman shot. Any rational person could watch the actual video and see that she was entering that lobby. But alt-right sheerple lean towards conspiracy over facts because they only care about a narrative.
 

JonC

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GA did go back and verify the results, several times.

What does that mean?

Were the ballots verified? Were ballots that were mailed to named persons verified they were returned from those named persons? Signed, sealed and delivered.

Let's see this is December 2, 2023

What was taking place in China on December 2, 2019?
What is taking place in China on December 2, 2023?

What took place on November 3, 2020?


Hide and watch!
It means they verified the results several times (they didn't just count and done).

And you can downloaded and the record from the recount from that site as well.
 

Wingman68

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Websters Dictionary -

alt-right : a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism



That is how we get the misinformation @Revmitchell was spreading about Jan 6 and the woman shot. Any rational person could watch the actual video and see that she was entering that lobby. But alt-right sheerple lean towards conspiracy over facts because they only care about a narrative.
Just stop. You spread more misinformation than anyone here. You caused the greatest grief on this forum with your unbending support for the vax. So many actually interesting posters are gone just because of that issue. Now you’re painting with the same brush on this issue. Your next move will be from ‘misinformation’ to lying. Been there, done that. Boring.
 
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JonC

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Just stop. You spread more misinformation than anyone here. You caused the greatest grief on this forum with your unbending support for the vax. So many actually interesting posters are gone just because of that issue. Now you’re painting with the same brush on this issue. Your next move will be from ‘misinformation’ to lying. Been there, done that. Boring.
No. I did provide the documentation from the vaccines and the reports of their studies prior to the release of the vaccines so that people could read for themselves.

If you remember the alt-right made claims about Pfizer and the CDC not revealing the potential side effects. I posted the documentation from the Pfizer and the CDC websites that stated the side effects you said were hidden as well as a PDF that was given to me before I got the vaccine. I neither support or discourage vaccinations. My brother didn't get the vaccine, and that was fine with me. It was up to him. And my decision to take the vaccine is fine with him because that was my decision.

BUT even if I did post what you believe is misinformation about the vaccine that is not an excuse for you to post misinformation about Jan 6.

That's the strange thing. You defend posting false information by claiming others posted false information.


So..... What did you think about @Revmitchell 's claim that Babbitt was not entering that hall when the video shows that she was shot while partially in that hall?


There is a difference between how data is interpreted and actual evidence.

With covid you made posts regarding data that did not actually support your conclusions because you left out key data (like the percent of person's in the data vaccinated when dealing with covid cases).


But here we are talking about an actual video of Babbitt standing in the door window with her left foot and left leg inside the window as she is stepping through, then being shot.

And then there was the alt-right claim that the police was ushering in the crowd but another video of the same thing from a different angle disproved that narrative.

And there was the alt-right claim that Babbitt was trying to prevent that other guy from going into the hall when this was also proven false by the video of the shooting.

And then there was the alt-right claim that
Roseanne Boyland was thrown down stairs or injuries by police officers when the actual video shows no police directly around her when she went down and was trampled by the pro-Trump rioters


What about Trump? Trump lied and said that the officer shot a peaceful protestor in the head but Babbitt was not a peaceful protestor and was not shot in the head. Trump said that the crowd was unarmed but they had guns, stun guns, chemical spray, batons, knives, and an axe.

Where is the outcry by those who actually believed the alt right propaganda? Those who believed and believe those things look like fools, not because they were fooled but because they keep on supporting their masters who lied to them.

I mean, you believed some of those lies based on your posts. Doesn't it make you angry that those you trusted lied to you, and you repeated that false information?

It appears you guys give the alt-right propaganda machine a pass because you like the narratives.
 

Reynolds

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I watched the video.

But when I searched it two came up (one was the video debunking that video, and was from another angle showing where the officers were in relation to Trump supporters.

The officer was motioning to other officers (the crowd left to right in front of the Capitol).

The video is alt-right false propaganda (a real video but a false narrative).

You can see both videos (same officer waving the officers back).

Here are the two videos side by side:



That said, my question would be the police inside the Capitol that just stood by. (Given, I'm not sure what else they could have done)
What about the police leading buffalo head on a tour?
 

Reynolds

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No. I did provide the documentation from the vaccines and the reports of their studies prior to the release of the vaccines so that people could read for themselves.

If you remember the alt-right made claims about Pfizer and the CDC not revealing the potential side effects. I posted the documentation from the Pfizer and the CDC websites that stated the side effects you said were hidden as well as a PDF that was given to me before I got the vaccine. I neither support or discourage vaccinations. My brother didn't get the vaccine, and that was fine with me. It was up to him. And my decision to take the vaccine is fine with him because that was my decision.

BUT even if I did post what you believe is misinformation about the vaccine that is not an excuse for you to post misinformation about Jan 6.

That's the strange thing. You defend posting false information by claiming others posted false information.


So..... What did you think about @Revmitchell 's claim that Babbitt was not entering that hall when the video shows that she was shot while partially in that hall?


There is a difference between how data is interpreted and actual evidence.

With covid you made posts regarding data that did not actually support your conclusions because you left out key data (like the percent of person's in the data vaccinated when dealing with covid cases).


But here we are talking about an actual video of Babbitt standing in the door window with her left foot and left leg inside the window as she is stepping through, then being shot.

And then there was the alt-right claim that the police was ushering in the crowd but another video of the same thing from a different angle disproved that narrative.

And there was the alt-right claim that Babbitt was trying to prevent that other guy from going into the hall when this was also proven false by the video of the shooting.

And then there was the alt-right claim that
Roseanne Boyland was thrown down stairs or injuries by police officers when the actual video shows no police directly around her when she went down and was trampled by the pro-Trump rioters


What about Trump? Trump lied and said that the officer shot a peaceful protestor in the head but Babbitt was not a peaceful protestor and was not shot in the head. Trump said that the crowd was unarmed but they had guns, stun guns, chemical spray, batons, knives, and an axe.

Where is the outcry by those who actually believed the alt right propaganda? Those who believed and believe those things look like fools, not because they were fooled but because they keep on supporting their masters who lied to them.

I mean, you believed some of those lies based on your posts. Doesn't it make you angry that those you trusted lied to you, and you repeated that false information?

It appears you guys give the alt-right propaganda machine a pass because you like the narratives.
Now, what we said about the vax is being proven true. (Texas Ag lawsuit against Pfizer) Every side effect we claimed has been proven true. The companies knew of the side effects very early in trials.
 

Reynolds

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Unfortunately yes. But it was the metro areas that carried the DNC vote.

GA did go back and verify the results, several times.

The physical election records are kept for 2 years as required by law. They have been made public.

You can download GA voting records from 2012 to present from the GA Secretary of State website.
Ga did not verify anything. They recounted the unverified ballots. The problem was ballot stuffing and boxes of ballots continually miraculously appearing. Recounting the fraud does nothing.
 

JonC

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What about the police leading buffalo head on a tour?
They didn't. Chansley entered the Capitol but the officers were trying to make sure he didn't enter (and then get him to leave) the Senate wing.

It was falsely reported by the alt-right that the officers were giving him a tour.
 

Wingman68

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Kari Lake: It’s terrible what happened. I mean, this, to me, is one of the great injustices in American history. We have people who are rotting in this DC. prison. Jake Lang, he’s been there almost three years. He’s never had a trial. He’s rotting in prison. He’s just one of dozens upon dozens of people. And now we’re starting to see this video pour out the 40 plus thousand hours that Mike Johnson is finally putting out, and he needs to put all of it out quickly. And we’re seeing the treatment that these people who were just there protesting, peacefully protesting, we saw grandmother being thrown down a flight of stairs by Capitol Police. We’re seeing people being beaten by Capitol Police. Now we want to get to the bottom of it because we don’t want American citizens held as political prisoners. And that’s what we have right now. We’ve got to get to the bottom of this. The conditions inside that DC jail are medieval, and we can’t forget these men who are being held right now.

These are trespassing charges, and you’re facing more than a year behind bars or eight years behind bars. Meanwhile, these pro Hamas protesters who were defacing property like the White House and were in the Capitol got slapped on the wrist and all of their charges dropped. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s a two tier level of justice, and the American people are wisening up to it.

That’s what makes Kari Lake so special. She is not afraid to take on the establishment and tell

 

JonC

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Ga did not verify anything. They recounted the unverified ballots. The problem was ballot stuffing and boxes of ballots continually miraculously appearing. Recounting the fraud does nothing.
They verified the votes. What you are assuming is that the ballots were not legitimate.

You live in GA. I live on the boarder. I think we all really knew GA would go Blue because of how liberal the metro areas have become (just as I knew that Augusta would be a blue city).
 

JonC

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Rosanne was beaten with a baton dozens of times by Officer Lila Morris.
Except there is no evidence of this. There is a video, but in the video it appears that the officer was beating the "protestor" who was beating the police officer on the ground. But it is the obscured so it gives the alt-right enough room to say she is beating an unconscious woman (while ignoring the "protestors" beating the officer on the ground).

That's my point. The alt-right ignores facts and just goes with a narrative.

Let's start here:

What do you think about the lie Babbitt was not climbing into the Senate Lobby through the window in that door when she was shot?

What do you think about the alt-right propaganda video of officers waving protestors in (when the video from another angle disproved that lie)?

What do you think about Trump lying and saying that Babbitt was just peacefully protesting and was shot in the head?

What do you think about Trump lying and saying that proud was unarmed?


I think we must first address known alt-right lied before we start wondering about vague videos. Too often the alt-right sheerple ignore when proven that they have been tricked and just move on to another "example" to support their narrative.

Is this what you are doing?
 

JonC

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For the record there is no such thing as the "alt-right".
If this is true then there will s no such thing as the extreme left.


Look, you have made several false flames lately so you need to explain to us exactly why you should be considered reliable.


1. You claimed that Babbitt was trying to prevent people from entering the Senate Lobby.

That was not true.

2. You claimed that Babbitt was not trying to enter the lobby when she was shot.

That was not true.

3. On another thread you claimed that the Early Church believed Paul wrote Hebrews, and that this was not challenged until Augustine

That was not true.


As Christians we can make mistakes, but we need to be very careful about the statements we make and do our best to post information that is accurate. You are very careless with the information you choose to believe and post.
 
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