How Trump would build his loyalty-first Cabinet

[KenH]

Interesting article in "Axios". ( Trump's loyalty-first cabinet picks may include Bannon, Miller (axios.com) )

I wonder if Democrats and Republicans have started to regret making the federal government basically all-pervasive in American life in its size, reach, and scope?

Also, I find this talk about Trump being a dictator to be rather interesting. Aren’t all of these edicts and rules put forth by President Biden(and his predecessors) acts of dictatorship, telling people what type of vehicle they can buy or how electricity can be produced, etc., etc., etc.? Seems to me that what is really being debated, and much angst being expressed about, is over who gets to be the dictator, not if there will be one.

But, of course, I am a minarchist stuck in the 1890s in my political thinking.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

this Adam Kinzinger has gotta be insane. Actually at this point I consider him a rat and rats get exterminated.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/re...mp-is-gop-nominee-vote-for-biden-the-takeout/
Republican Adam Kinzinger says he's politically "homeless," and if Trump is the nominee, he'll vote for Biden — The Takeout

 

[KenH]

this Adam Kinzinger has gotta be insane. Actually at this point I consider him a rat and rats get exterminated.
Republican Adam Kinzinger says he's politically "homeless," and if Trump is the nominee, he'll vote for Biden — The Takeout

Are you advocating for the murder of Adam Kinzinger?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Are you advocating for the murder of Adam Kinzinger?

Politically yes

 

[KenH]

Politically yes

But you don't want to actually end his physical life, right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Politically yes

Of course he has committed political suicide by his imbecilic comments

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

But you don't want to actually end his physical life, right?

Why, and end his already miserable existence… I’d rather watch him suffer. Rats hate the smell of ammonia so why not urinate down the rat hole?

 

[canadyjd]

this Adam Kinzinger has gotta be insane. Actually at this point I consider him a rat and rats get exterminated.
Republican Adam Kinzinger says he's politically "homeless," and if Trump is the nominee, he'll vote for Biden — The Takeout

Looks like Kinzinger isn’t getting a spot in DT’s cabinet. I’ll guess that Liz Cheney won’t either.

Just think, if Chaney hadn’t gotten TDS, she might be speaker of the house right now.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

Just think, if Chaney hadn’t gotten TDS, she might be speaker of the house right now.

It is amazing how much TDS and BDS there is in American politics nowadays. I long for the old days when debates over issues greatly overshadowed the arguments over personalities. Personality has always been a part of the equation, but so much of American politics nowadays is over if one is for one political personality or against some other political personality.

For instance, Liz Cheney voted something like 90% of the time for Trump's policies, yet she is considered anti-Trump when she is actually pro-Trump policies and anti-his authoritarian personality. Yet, being with Trump 90% of the time on issues is not deemed sufficient by the MAGA crowd unless she also goes along with what Trump is as a person.

 

[canadyjd]

It is amazing how much TDS and BDS there is in American politics nowadays. I long for the old days when debates over issues greatly overshadowed the arguments over personalities. Personality has always been a part of the equation, but so much of American politics nowadays is over if one is for one political personality or against some other political personality.

For instance, Liz Cheney voted something like 90% of the time for Trump's policies, yet she is considered anti-Trump when she is actually pro-Trump policies and anti-his authoritarian personality. Yet, being with Trump 90% of the time on issues is not deemed sufficient by the MAGA crowd unless she also goes along with what Trump is as a person.

OK, just to be clear. Chaney sat on a committee that lied about DT and his involvement on J6, she withheld relevant information, she suppressed everything that exonerated DT.

In short, she and Kinzinger were token repubs on a partisan committee that divided this country and focused on “getting” DT instead of getting to the truth of J6.

That goes far beyond “agree with DT’s policies but don’t like his personality”.

She demonstrated herself to be a liar and her constituents kicked her out because of it. Kinzinger faced the same issue and decided not to run for re-election to avoid losing in the primary.

They took a stand, played dirty partisan politics and paid a political price and rightly so. That’s how it’s suppose to work.

Peace to you

 

[taisto]

It is amazing how much TDS and BDS there is in American politics nowadays. I long for the old days when debates over issues greatly overshadowed the arguments over personalities. Personality has always been a part of the equation, but so much of American politics nowadays is over if one is for one political personality or against some other political personality.

For instance, Liz Cheney voted something like 90% of the time for Trump's policies, yet she is considered anti-Trump when she is actually pro-Trump policies and anti-his authoritarian personality. Yet, being with Trump 90% of the time on issues is not deemed sufficient by the MAGA crowd unless she also goes along with what Trump is as a person.

Our politics are about the Cult of Personality.

 

[KenH]

Our politics are about the Cult of Personality.

I definitely see a lot of similarity between professional wrestling and American politics.

 

[JonC]

If I were Trump the last thing I'd want is to be President.....but I guess by now it would be an ultimate victory over his political enemies, so I get it.

The problem with Trump's Cabinet is those on it will have to be puppets or they will be putting their political careers at risk.

I say this because most Trump supporters that disagreed with Trump became targets for his wrath. Being republicans that meant experience new enemies from the GOP while maintaining old ones from the DNC. And those who continued to support Trump after being attacked are still viewed as "enemies" by many Trump supporters.


Consider Brian Kemp. He currently has an approval rating of 63%. His policies are align with conservative values. He is absolutely anti-abortion. And Kemp spearheaded election reform in GA.

Kemp was one of Trump's biggest targets for certifying the GA election (for accepting the votes that were actually there).


But Kemp has also been one of Trump's biggest supporters (in September even saying he'd endorse Trump 2024 ).

Yet still the alt-right views Kemp as an enemy because he did not "find" ballots for Trump in the last election.

 

[canadyjd]

If I were Trump the last thing I'd want is to be President.....but I guess by now it would be an ultimate victory over his political enemies, so I get it.

The problem with Trump's Cabinet is those on it will have to be puppets or they will be putting their political careers at risk.

I say this because most Trump supporters that disagreed with Trump became targets for his wrath. Being republicans that meant experience new enemies from the GOP while maintaining old ones from the DNC. And those who continued to support Trump after being attacked are still viewed as "enemies" by many Trump supporters.


Consider Brian Kemp. He currently has an approval rating of 63%. His policies are align with conservative values. He is absolutely anti-abortion. And Kemp spearheaded election reform in GA.

Kemp was one of Trump's biggest targets for certifying the GA election (for accepting the votes that were actually there).


But Kemp has also been one of Trump's biggest supporters (in September even saying he'd endorse Trump 2024 ).

Yet still the alt-right views Kemp as an enemy because he did not "find" ballots for Trump in the last election.

Kemp took money from Dems for the state election efforts that focused on get out the vote efforts for Dems.

Kemp dismissed video of dem election workers retrieving ballot boxes from under tables and adding those ballots to the count AFTER repub monitors were sent home because the counting had stopped for the day

Kemp is very much in the mold of Chaney and Kitzinger. He would would rather Dems win than DT to win.

There have been other repubs that DT criticized unfairly, Mike Pence is first among them.

But Kemp? Nah, bad choice to make your point

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Kemp took money from Dems for the state election efforts that focused on get out the vote efforts for Dems.

Kemp dismissed video of dem election workers retrieving ballot boxes from under tables and adding those ballots to the count AFTER repub monitors were sent home because the counting had stopped for the day

Kemp is very much in the mold of Chaney and Kitzinger. He would would rather Dems win than DT to win.

There have been other repubs that DT criticized unfairly, Mike Pence is first among them.

But Kemp? Nah, bad choice to make your point

peace to you

I know Kemp took money from the alt-right fake Trump electors. But I have not read of him taking money from Democrat organizations.

The ballot boxes that were packed in view of the monitors and press were placed under the table, but this is not uncommon. Poll watchers were never excluded, they had access. But poll watchers do not have the ability to stop the counting by leaving. The ballots were packed and the packing monitored by video and the press. The boxes were sealed and unsealed when opened for counting. The entire process was taped. The video was reviewed and neither side found improper methods.

This goes back to creating narratives about what one side wants the video to reveal, although the videos themselves reveal no such thing.


Now, the issue here is not election fraud at the counting of the election but election fraud in the balloting process (fake votes).

Kemp effectively spearheaded efforts to prevent this in the future (Kemp acknowledged that Democrats used fraudulent methods to get votes....but this can't be proven in hindsight except for double ballots with the testimony of the voter, dead people voting, etc.).

 

[KenH]

Kemp dismissed video of dem election workers retrieving ballot boxes from under tables and adding those ballots to the count AFTER repub monitors were sent home because the counting had stopped for the day

I hope that you don't really believe that foolishness.

 

[KenH]

If Republicans are going to accuse the Democrats of "rigging" the vote when the Republicans lose an election, and the Democrats are going to accuse the Republicans of "suppressing" the vote when the Democrats lose an election, then what's the point of holding elections with these two parties involved. Seems to me that the United States would be better off if both of these parties went into the dustbin of history and were replaced with parties that won't accuse the other party of cheating when they lose an election.

 

[canadyjd]

I know Kemp took money from the alt-right fake Trump electors. But I have not read of him taking money from Democrat organizations.

The ballot boxes that were packed in view of the monitors and press were placed under the table, but this is not uncommon. Poll watchers were never excluded, they had access. But poll watchers do not have the ability to stop the counting by leaving. The ballots were packed and the packing monitored by video and the press. The boxes were sealed and unsealed when opened for counting. The entire process was taped. The video was reviewed and neither side found improper methods.

This goes back to creating narratives about what one side wants the video to reveal, although the videos themselves reveal no such thing.


Now, the issue here is not election fraud at the counting of the election but election fraud in the balloting process (fake votes).

Kemp effectively spearheaded efforts to prevent this in the future (Kemp acknowledged that Democrats used fraudulent methods to get votes....but this can't be proven in hindsight except for double ballots with the testimony of the voter, dead people voting, etc.).

All those words without acknowledging the ballots boxes were removed from under the table and ballots were counted AFTER the official in charge declared the counting had stopped for the day and repubs left.

BTW, just by coincidence, this same thing happened all across the swing states in heavily dem counties; at about the same time; and the next morning ….. SHAZAM!!!! Biden has 80 million votes, just enough to over come DT’s overwhelming lead in each of the counties where this was done.

Nahhhh, couldn’t be fraud. All the Trump haters will very quickly tell you no fraud and you are a traitor/insurrectionist if you dare to THINK otherwise.

Kemp was a poor choice to use as a repub DT has mistreated. Many other better examples. Not Kemp.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

All those words without acknowledging the ballots boxes were removed from under the table and ballots were counted AFTER the official in charge declared the counting had stopped for the day and repubs left.

Except that is not accurate.

The boxes were removed from under the table. They still were sealed. The workers had thought they were done and were planning to leave. Raffensperger made them stay.

So the question becomes whether the absentee ballots, which had been appropriately handed and sealed, should have been counted as many of the workers thought they were done.

This goes back to narratives. We know it was not unusual for ballot boxes to be stored under the tables. We know the workers were planning on leaving and thought they were done. Those are facts.

 

[Baptist Believer]

this Adam Kinzinger has gotta be insane. Actually at this point I consider him a rat and rats get exterminated.

Are you advocating for the murder of Adam Kinzinger?

Politically yes

A normal moral person would immediately clarify that they would not want physical harm to come to another person.

But you don't want to actually end his physical life, right?

Why, and end his already miserable existence… I’d rather watch him suffer. Rats hate the smell of ammonia so why not urinate down the rat hole?

This says terrible things about you. You enjoy inflicting suffering on others?