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How To Be Born Again

DaveXR650

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That help has been provided. Salvation is an accomplished work. Believe is all that is required of us.
True belief changes the way you live. Head knowledge without personal acceptance is nothing.
Now right here is indeed the difference. This is what Leighton Flowers is popularizing in his "Provisionism" Youtube site. Christ doing his work and providing the means for you to be saved is not all the help we need. Once again you have that John 3:6-8 which is simply there. I do believe that we should indeed be able to on our own, look at the gospel propositions and choose to repent and come to Christ. But the facts, and the scripture, indicates more is going on. If you pray for someone who has heard the gospel to be saved you are acknowledging that you want the Spirit to influence them or change them in some way to make them come to Christ, are you not? You are not wanting to respect their free will and leave them alone to their own pathway. You couldn't care less that salvation has been sufficiently provided and now it's up to them. You want God to shake 'em up somehow, convict, strike down, or flat out give them a new birth but the point is you want them to have way more than a provision of the means of salvation.
 

Ben1445

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You choose your battles wisely. What are you going to get from the discussion and can you part way friends?
I don’t see why people don’t part friends.
We are called to "Look and Live," to "Repent and Believe" to "call upon the name of the Lord" and so forth. What brings you to this point?
Well, I was born physically. God gives that life also. How much do you want to know?
But being brought to that point doesn’t automatically mean crossing from death to life. It doesn’t matter much how you get to the ferry. You will never cross if you don’t trust the ferry to take you. And you aren’t trusting if you haven’t come yourself, into the ferry.

Are you saying you are saved because you had the "Good common sense to believe?" Does this mean you are "better" than the person who refuses to believe?
You are the one who keeps trying to put the words in my mouth.
I have not and do not say it. I’m more convinced that Calvinists think that way. They are the people who say it all the time. They can’t seem to let people be judged by their own words and must teach people how to oppose them so that that can then handle the low hanging fruit.
It’s not impressive. It doesn’t help my opinion of your knowledge.
 

Ben1445

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Now right here is indeed the difference. This is what Leighton Flowers is popularizing in his "Provisionism" Youtube site. Christ doing his work and providing the means for you to be saved is not all the help we need. Once again you have that John 3:6-8 which is simply there. I do believe that we should indeed be able to on our own, look at the gospel propositions and choose to repent and come to Christ. But the facts, and the scripture, indicates more is going on. If you pray for someone who has heard the gospel to be saved you are acknowledging that you want the Spirit to influence them or change them in some way to make them come to Christ, are you not? You are not wanting to respect their free will and leave them alone to their own pathway. You couldn't care less that salvation has been sufficiently provided and now it's up to them. You want God to shake 'em up somehow, convict, strike down, or flat out give them a new birth but the point is you want them to have way more than a provision of the means of salvation.
All of the rest of what you are saying is not outside of provisionism. Everything that is necessary for salvation is provided for. That is the definition of provisionism.
 

Ben1445

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I clearly said above that we should be and can be held responsible for our sin in our natural state and the only thing making us sin is our own wills in full control. I have gone as far as you do in assigning personal responsibility. We are totally responsible for what we do.

I do not think the same is equally true when it comes to changing for the better and believing the gospel.
And herein lies the difference.
It is not as though by believing the gospel you have invented it or made a way of salvation. By saying that people believe the gospel, you have an intrinsic understanding that salvation exists outside of the individual.

And I can tell you that Calvinists, Arminians, Regular Baptists, and free will Baptists all believe that too. The only difference is in the resistibility of the grace given to us and in the selectivity of the grace given.
As if we were given different resistors and capacitors like a circuit board. We are not merely hardware or we are not discussing anything more than fatalism. The idea that we have already been given circumstances that force us into making decisions predetermined as we live out nothing better than a simulation.

But that aside, John 3:6-8, if glossed over, leaves you totally in charge of your salvation in a way that doesn't fit with what those verses say. Especially in light of the fact that Jesus seemed astounded at the ignorance of Nicodemus who was an expert in theology and scripture and yet seemed himself to be in need of supernatural help. Don't make too much of it as I think we are basically on the same page.
I think we are not too far apart.
 

Armchair Apologist

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Apparently you are saying that the Holy Spirit is slacking on behalf of some people.
I am saying that God is sovereign over whom he saves - Rom 9:15
I have never talked about my abilities to persuade them. You have lost your way in this conversation.
Perhaps I was not talking about you then. There are, in fact, those who believe that with the right methodology, you can persuade anyone to be saved. The most notable example of this is Charles Finney who is regarded by many to be the patron saint of "Modern Evangelism!" You do not have to be a Calvinist in order to disagree with such a mindset and I hope this would be one area in which we could agree.
Have you never read that men resist the Holy Spirit?
All the time. An unregenerate man will always resist the Holy Spirit. He will always spurn the "Common Grace" that has been bestowed upon him.
Have you never read that we are commanded to not quench the Spirit?
First of all, Paul is addressing the Church at Thessalonica (believers)
Why is it that these things are so, if we have no ability to resist the grace of God? Or what are we resisting if we can’t resist the Holy Spirit?
Perhaps you should go back and study the Calvinist position on "Irresistable Grace." I do not think it means what you think it means.

Irresistable grace is efficacious (saving) grace AKA "regeneration" or the actual point at which one passes from death to life! A dead man will pass up a medium-rare T-Bone Steak. A Baptist (who is very much alive) will find such to be quite irresistable!:Cool
I can’t speak for others, but I certainly am aware of the Holy Spirit working in my life. Nothing mystical or weird, but there is no mistaking His working for someone else.
We may be able to see outward signs that a man is "under conviction" or whatever. They may be quite attentive and actually express concern over the condition of their eternal soul. You may speak to this person a couple of days later and they are cold as ice and have no interest in you or the gospel you are preaching! What happened?

On the contrary, you could be dealing with some "Outlaw Biker" somewhere who pulls a knife and threatens to "slice you up" if you do not stop preaching to him or his buddies! Perhaps a few years later, you find out this very same "outlaw biker" has graduated from seminary and is preaching a revival service across town, sees you and nearly kills you with a big ol bear hug!

Fact of the matter is we haven't the slightest clue who "God's Elect" are!

And again, you do not have to be a "Calvinist" in order to say "AMEN" to this!
What makes you think He never does for some people?
What about those who live and die and have never had the chance to hear the gospel message preached? What about those on North Sentinel Island who will kill anyone who tries to get in contact with them?
 

DaveXR650

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I think we are not too far apart.
I agree. I think that what happens with theology is that it can state a truth but not always integrate it with other truth. Your perception of being saved is indeed that you hear the gospel and then you decide to come to Christ and believe. That really is what you do. But then, as Spurgeon said, you start reading scripture and thinking about why you did that and you realize God was working on you. C.S. Lewis said the same thing in that as he searched for God it turned out that in reality it was God who was pursuing him.
 

kyredneck

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But that aside, John 3:6-8, if glossed over, leaves you totally in charge of your salvation in a way that doesn't fit with what those verses say.

Jn 3:6-8 is only the tip of the iceberg of scripture that the 'anti-Cals' gloss over.

Jesus seemed astounded at the ignorance of Nicodemus who was an expert in theology and scripture and yet seemed himself to be in need of supernatural help.

Nicodemus's non-enlightenment should not affect the correct rendering of Christ's intent with the word 'anothen' here. Anothen ( from above, from a higher place, of things which come from heaven or God, from the first, from the beginning, from the very first, anew, over again) can mean 'anew' or 'over again', but that's not what Christ meant, thus His further explanation in the next verse:

5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;
6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit. Jn 1 YLT

Christ wasn't speaking of an earthly physical birth which Nicodemus wrongly perceived, He was speaking of a spiritual birth FROM ABOVE.

"Born from above" syncs with a large amount of other scripture, old and new, and is consistent with the apostle John's (James also) intended use of the word anothen:

3 Jesus answered and said to him, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;' (YLT)
7 'Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above; (YLT)
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly , and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. Jn 3

11 Jesus answered , Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout . Jn 19

As is the case with James:

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Ja 1

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure , then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. Ja 3

YLT conveys a 'celestial motif' in the dialogue (yea, the entire chapter) between Christ and Nicodemus that the rendering 'born again' misses:

2 this one came unto him by night, and said to him, `Rabbi, we have known that from God thou hast come -- a teacher, for no one these signs is able to do that thou dost, if God may not be with him.`
3 Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;`
7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;
21 but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.`
27 John answered and said, `A man is not able to receive anything, if it may not have been given him from the heaven
31 he who from above is coming is above all; he who is from the earth, from the earth he is, and from the earth he speaketh; he who from the heaven is coming is above all. Jn 3 YLT

Born again, or born anew gives all you free willer enemies of sovereign grace that have confidence in the flesh 'wiggle room' to lay claim or take credit for something you had zilch to do with. You were 100% totally passive in the birth from above:

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1
 
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Armchair Apologist

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I don’t see why people don’t part friends.
So long as things remain amicable, we can have a good discussion even if we disagree.
Well, I was born physically. God gives that life also. How much do you want to know?
Did you ask to be born? Are you resentful of the fact that you didn't give consent for your own birth?
But now that you are born, do you not have the desire to live?
How is any of this different from the new birth?
But being brought to that point doesn’t automatically mean crossing from death to life. It doesn’t matter much how you get to the ferry. You will never cross if you don’t trust the ferry to take you. And you aren’t trusting if you haven’t come yourself, into the ferry.
It is God who gives one sight, who grants repentance and faith unto salvation. God is the one who puts all the pieces together to where everything makes sense. The new birth is a supernatural occurrence and is completely from God!
You are the one who keeps trying to put the words in my mouth.
I have not and do not say it. I’m more convinced that Calvinists think that way. They are the people who say it all the time. They can’t seem to let people be judged by their own words and must teach people how to oppose them so that that can then handle the low hanging fruit.
It’s not impressive. It doesn’t help my opinion of your knowledge.
Not really. I do not think you would actually believe you are saved because of anything you have done, because you were smarter and had the good common sense to believe the gospel or whatever!
 

Ben1445

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I am saying that God is sovereign over whom he saves - Rom 9:15
God is sovereign over all.
What you mean by sovereign I can only guess.

Perhaps I was not talking about you then. There are, in fact, those who believe that with the right methodology, you can persuade anyone to be saved. The most notable example of this is Charles Finney who is regarded by many to be the patron saint of "Modern Evangelism!" You do not have to be a Calvinist in order to disagree with such a mindset and I hope this would be one area in which we could agree.
Everything with a grain of salt. I would not throw away entirely the idea of persuading people. Paul certainly did do his share of it.

2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

All the time. An unregenerate man will always resist the Holy Spirit. He will always spurn the "Common Grace" that has been bestowed upon him.
Apparently not all the time because unregenerate men do get regenerated.

First of all, Paul is addressing the Church at Thessalonica (believers)
And so the believers have more ability to resist and quench the Holy Spirit than the unbelievers? It would be the old man who has not been crucified daily that would quench the Spirit.

Perhaps you should go back and study the Calvinist position on "Irresistable Grace." I do not think it means what you think it means.
To which Calvinist?
Which Calvinist position is the one you want me to study. There are as many different positions on Calvinism as there may be Baptists.

Irresistable grace is efficacious (saving) grace AKA "regeneration" or the actual point at which one passes from death to life! A dead man will pass up a medium-rare T-Bone Steak. A Baptist (who is very much alive) will find such to be quite irresistable!:Cool
Cute illustration but not an accurate parallel.

It would mean that eating the steak would make a dead man live. I’ve had some pretty good steak (pardon my drooling. I can’t think of any good reason to have worked up an appetite now!!):p

We may be able to see outward signs that a man is "under conviction" or whatever. They may be quite attentive and actually express concern over the condition of their eternal soul. You may speak to this person a couple of days later and they are cold as ice and have no interest in you or the gospel you are preaching! What happened?
They resisted and quenched the Spirit.

On the contrary, you could be dealing with some "Outlaw Biker" somewhere who pulls a knife and threatens to "slice you up" if you do not stop preaching to him or his buddies! Perhaps a few years later, you find out this very same "outlaw biker" has graduated from seminary and is preaching a revival service across town, sees you and nearly kills you with a big ol bear hug!
So at some point he stopped resisting. Amen!!

Fact of the matter is we haven't the slightest clue who "God's Elect" are!
Certainly. We are even aware of wolves that creep into the church who would not be suffered to stay except that they are in sheep’s clothing and are somewhat hidden.

We do know that God’s elect are believers. And we may know that we are believers and have eternal life.

And again, you do not have to be a "Calvinist" in order to say "AMEN" to this!

What about those who live and die and have never had the chance to hear the gospel message preached? What about those on North Sentinel Island who will kill anyone who tries to get in contact with them?
They are not innocent by any means. You and I both know that. They know what they are doing is wrong. They know they will answer to God.
 

Ben1445

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I agree. I think that what happens with theology is that it can state a truth but not always integrate it with other truth. Your perception of being saved is indeed that you hear the gospel and then you decide to come to Christ and believe. That really is what you do. But then, as Spurgeon said, you start reading scripture and thinking about why you did that and you realize God was working on you. C.S. Lewis said the same thing in that as he searched for God it turned out that in reality it was God who was pursuing him.
That God is pursuing us first is basic Bible truth.

But God pursuing us is not always effective. :eek: Jesus did say that He would have gathered Jerusalem but they would not allow Him.
 

Ben1445

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So long as things remain amicable, we can have a good discussion even if we disagree.
If we are always properly, slow to offense, there is never a reason to be upset with each other.
I enjoy speaking with people who can disagree but don’t not get their feelings hurt.

Did you ask to be born?
Why is it that Calvinists think they have the corner on the market for God’s activities in relation to men. You remember that I brought that up first, no?

Are you resentful of the fact that you didn't give consent for your own birth?
Who do you think you are talking to? As in, what is it that you think I believe. I have no idea what you are driving at. That is a weird question. If you don’t know the answer, then we have nothing in common.

But now that you are born, do you not have the desire to live?
Even people who kill themselves have a desire to live. They have just convinced themselves that they have no reason to or that they are better off by not living. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to live.

How is any of this different from the new birth?
If it is not different, then any person who has a physical birth has also had a spiritual birth.

Also, what cognitive function do you have before you were physically born?
What cognitive function did you have before you were spiritually born?

Who preached to you about physical birth? How did you happen to hear about it to make you believe it so that you could be born?

Who preached to you spiritual birth?

If you can’t see the differences, then I can’t help you.

It is God who gives one sight, who grants repentance and faith unto salvation.
Unquestionably. But what makes you think that God will not grant certain people repentance ever at any time? What is it about those people that makes God not have respect unto them?

God is the one who puts all the pieces together to where everything makes sense. The new birth is a supernatural occurrence and is completely from God!
No doubt.
But God doesn’t call us for no reason. God doesn’t instruct us for nothing. God is not speaking and reasoning with us to make a good simulation.

Not really. I do not think you would actually believe you are saved because of anything you have done, because you were smarter and had the good common sense to believe the gospel or whatever!
In that case I would appreciate it if you would save that argument for some conversation in which it actually arises and not imply that it is the way that I think.
 

DaveXR650

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That God is pursuing us first is basic Bible truth.

But God pursuing us is not always effective. :eek: Jesus did say that He would have gathered Jerusalem but they would not allow Him.
I agree with you there. I believe that it is not God's will that any should perish. I think God gives grace beyond the provision of the opportunity for salvation in the form of enlightenment, conviction and so on but can judicially decide that he has done enough and withdraw further grace. That's where I think strict theology falls short of what people preach. John Owen for instance, although a strict Calvinist, warned that you should not hesitate to respond to the call of God when hearing the gospel because this grace may be withdrawn leaving you with no chance that you will come at a later time. To me that is resisting grace, and it is what is called theologically, "reprobation".

Jonathan Edwards, in one of his sermons, said Christ has died. All is made ready for you. You are invited now to come. All that is lacking is your consent. This type of message might make some Calvinists uneasy. But it need not. However; it does seem to say that he was putting salvation squarely in your hands with damnation being the result of your own choice. I personally have no problem with that whether it fits in perfectly with Calvinism or not.
 

Ben1445

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I agree with you there. I believe that it is not God's will that any should perish. I think God gives grace beyond the provision of the opportunity for salvation in the form of enlightenment, conviction and so on but can judicially decide that he has done enough and withdraw further grace. That's where I think strict theology falls short of what people preach. John Owen for instance, although a strict Calvinist, warned that you should not hesitate to respond to the call of God when hearing the gospel because this grace may be withdrawn leaving you with no chance that you will come at a later time. To me that is resisting grace, and it is what is called theologically, "reprobation".

Jonathan Edwards, in one of his sermons, said Christ has died. All is made ready for you. You are invited now to come. All that is lacking is your consent. This type of message might make some Calvinists uneasy. But it need not. However; it does seem to say that he was putting salvation squarely in your hands with damnation being the result of your own choice. I personally have no problem with that whether it fits in perfectly with Calvinism or not.
I appreciate you a lot. You are always willing to share the details of sermons that balance out the preachers that are championed by one side or the other. I always look forward to interacting with you.
 

kyredneck

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"Evangelicals ignoring 'the wrath to come' upon that generation that murdered Christ. It's like a Grand Canyon sized chasm in your theology. You're not just missing a piece of the puzzle, you've tossed half of it out."

I believe that it is not God's will that any should perish.

Peter was apostle to the circumcision, and this was the essence of 'the gospel of the circumcision'. This 'perishing' was not eternal punishment in hell, but temporal, in the wrath that was to come upon that very generation, at the violent end of the Mosaic Covenant.

Acts Chapter 2 -

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And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.

Acts Chapter 3

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And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.

Luke Chapter 13

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I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.

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Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?

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I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Revelation Chapter 18

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And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues:
 
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DaveXR650

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"Evangelicals ignoring 'the wrath to come' upon that generation that murdered Christ. It's like a Grand Canyon sized chasm in your theology. You're not just missing a piece of the puzzle, you've tossed half of it out."


Peter was apostle to the circumcision, and this was the essence of 'the gospel of the circumcision'. This 'perishing' was not eternal punishment in hell, but temporal, in the wrath that was to come upon that very generation, at the violent end of the Mosaic Covenant.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here as it seems completely off topic. The fact is that when Christ is preached whether to Jew or Gentiles, the desire is salvation unto everlasting life. Proof? Just read Act chapter 13. Paul, even though he was designated apostle to the gentiles, always started with his own people the Jews, and in Acts 13:46 Paul rebukes the Jews who did not believe by telling them they were making themselves unworthy of eternal life. This was and always is indeed about salvation and the message was identical to both groups as gentiles and some of the Jews in Acts 13 did indeed believe as a result of the same message being preached to all of those assembled.

Why make things into some kind of complicated business that only a few have figured out the secret meaning of? And I will say once again, as you see if you read the whole chapter of Acts 13 you find the blame clearly put on those who reject the gospel for their not being saved - to the point that it is said they "judged themselves unworthy" of eternal life. Those "ordained" were the ones who believed which is why I am concerned when I hear people claim any more credit for their own salvation beyond just saying that at some point they realized what their situation was, that Christ was indeed Lord, with all judgement committed to him, and that he was inviting them to come - so they came. But even more clearly in that same chapter is it stated that those who refused to believe were themselves responsible and I'm going out on a limb here and saying that this would be improper to say if they did not have at least sufficient light to have taken a different decision. They had some grace, and it was rejected (resisted).
 

DaveXR650

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I appreciate you a lot. You are always willing to share the details of sermons that balance out the preachers that are championed by one side or the other. I always look forward to interacting with you.
Thanks. If you really want to get some Calvinists riled up just point out how many Calvinist Puritan preachers used "Behold, I stand at the door and knock" from Rev. 3:20 as a salvation invitation, right after they have just pointed out the improper exegesis when some old fundamentalist preacher does the same thing.

Seriously, even if you are not a Calvinist, there is a wealth of benefit in the Puritan writings and sermons and the later Calvinists like Spurgeon and Bonar. Same goes for non-Calvinist Puritans like Baxter and Goodwin and later guys like J.C. Ryle. I am always thankful that due to an incapacitating injury I spent a lot of time reading and blundered into the sermons and devotional writings of all those guys rather than the theology only. I think if you take the theology as more than a guardrail or guideline you will miss out on a lot.
 

kyredneck

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I'm not sure what you are getting at here as it seems completely off topic.

<sigh>

What 2 Peter 3:9 says:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

What 2 Peter 3:9 does NOT say:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should go to hell, but that all should come to repentance.

...and no more off topic than you are.
 

Eternally Grateful

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how is one born again?

Just go to the words of Jesus. He told Nicodemus, and us

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

Jesus answer

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

Why did Jesus mention this event, what does it mean, we must investigate

Numbers 21: 4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died. 7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

People who were bit, no hope..dead

They could not save themselves

Serpent, a symbol of Jesus on the cross.. (to easy to just look up)

Why would they NOT look up?

Those who did not ended up suffering their fate



Gods answer to the sin problem. Life, new birth,

How do we receive this new life?

Belief (faith) in the work of God..


15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Notice here is the answer Jesus gave, to the question “how can these things be”

  • As the jews looked up. So we must look at the cross
  • We are dead in trespasses and sins, if we look up, we will live, if not we will die the death we deserve
  • Those who believe will look. Because they trust Jesus,
  • Those who look will NEVER DIE, and they will LIVE FOREVER.. (this is where the plot differs. The jews died again, even though they lived.. We will never die


17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

  • Jesus was not sent to condemn, but to save.
  • Those who believe have passed from death to life. And their condemnation is removed.
  • Those who continue in unbelief is still under condemnation.

Jesus did not come to judge, but to save. (what does this tell us about God?)


More passages which confirm this

Eph 2: 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Cor 15: 22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

John 10: 28 - And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

1 John 2: 25 - And this is the promise that He has promised useternal life.

1 John 5: 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

1 John 15: 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
 
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