You really need to stop writing that because it is not true.
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Anthony Pritchard
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Agreed regarding the Calvinist forum. The main thrust of the article was eternal security as shown by the Book of Life. The subtitle may have suggested a broader debate, but the focus was the permanence of the believer’s salvation.
The point about the Book of Life wholly refuting Calvinism on its own was an added observation, not the core argument, and in hindsight I should have left that aside. My intention was not to derail the thread or provoke anyone.
As far as being called a Pelagian, I could not possibly care less.
Maybe you're one of those stealth 'Calvinist-slayer by night', quietly slip in unawares, get everyone to like you and, BAM! You lower the boom when it's least expected and stamp out TULIP once and for all!
We've had a few that fancied themselves that way.
Anthony Pritchard
Active Member
I am not that smart!Maybe you're one of those stealth 'Calvinist-slayer by night', quietly slip in unawares, get everyone to like you and, BAM! You lower the boom when it's least expected and stamp out TULIP once and for all!
We've had a few that fancied themselves that way.
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
Pelagianism is a 5th-century Christian theological movement asserting that humans possess the free will to achieve moral perfection without divine grace. It denies original sin and the inherited corrupt nature of humanity. Named after the British monk Pelagius, it was condemned as a heresy in 418 AD.
We can refute the Deterministic Fatalism of Calvinists without being Pelagian.
We simply point to the many instances of the command to repent, believe the gospel, and trust in Christ.
People who are “totally depraved”, as the murderous Calvin claimed, cannot repent, so the command is ridiculous, unless we reject the absurdity of TULIP.
DaveXR650
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Yes, and most of them come from Calvinists.
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
That would be contradictory.
Calvinists say unsaved people are totally depraved and cannot repent, believe, or seek God.
DaveXR650
Well-Known Member
No. It's not contradictory. It's true. And it is your willing ignorance that allows you to say such a stupid thing. You ever heard of Charles Spurgeon, the "Prince of Preachers"? A 5 point Calvinist. How about John Knox famous for saying "Give me Scotland or I die". What about William Carey, who basically started the cross cultural mission movement. Yep, a Calvinist. This is why these discussions don't go well. After repeatedly fielding nasty and ignorant statements for people too lazy to even go and look something up themselves folks loose patience. You are welcome to continue on if you wish.
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
You talk about men who you say were Calvinists.
I am persuaded by scriptures, not men.
Your Calvinist-inspired hostility is revealed by your calling me ignorant and stupid.
Calvin was a bitter, arrogant, malicious man, who had his theological opponents killed. Your insults are congruent with your exaltation of Calvinism.
I have never insulted you attacked you personally. Because I’m not a Calvinist.