When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

[Paleouss]

Greetings to all my brothers in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am looking for some clarity on this issue from others (thoughts, observations, critiques). To be revealing, I'm going to restrict considerations to the Holy Scripture only and to the words in it. In other words, I'm trying not to infer to much, if anything.

My dilemma/challenge is this... I don't see where the biblical text indicates that Satan fell "significantly prior" to the deception act in the Garden of Eden. In fact, it seems to me that the biblical text records Satan's first "sinful work" as being in the Garden. Although one might logically concede that the thought preceded the act, i.e., the sin of pride comes before the sinful act of deception.

First: Created in exalted position near God.
Second: Iniquity found in Satan (this timing seems to be the only speculative part).
Third: First act of Overt Rebellion recorded, the garden of Eden.
Fourth: Satan falls from grace and cursed.

The part I find most compelling is that Genesis 3:14 explicitly tells us "because you have done this" you are cursed. Satan was cursed because of his deception of Eve. To be cursed seems to suggest one is not already cursed. In the same context, Adam was cursed due to his first sin, Eve was cursed from her first sin. Both previously not cursed and in God's good grace.

Any verses, thoughts?

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2:1-6).

 

[JD731]

Greetings to all my brothers in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am looking for some clarity on this issue from others (thoughts, observations, critiques). To be revealing, I'm going to restrict considerations to the Holy Scripture only and to the words in it. In other words, I'm trying not to infer to much, if anything.

My dilemma/challenge is this... I don't see where the biblical text indicates that Satan fell "significantly prior" to the deception act in the Garden of Eden. In fact, it seems to me that the biblical text records Satan's first "sinful work" as being in the Garden. Although one might logically concede that the thought preceded the act, i.e., the sin of pride comes before the sinful act of deception.

First: Created in exalted position near God.
Second: Iniquity found in Satan (this timing seems to be the only speculative part).
Third: First act of Overt Rebellion recorded, the garden of Eden.
Fourth: Satan falls from grace and cursed.

The part I find most compelling is that Genesis 3:14 explicitly tells us "because you have done this" you are cursed. Satan was cursed because of his deception of Eve. To be cursed seems to suggest one is not already cursed. In the same context, Adam was cursed due to his first sin, Eve was cursed from her first sin. Both previously not cursed and in God's good grace.

Any verses, thoughts?

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2:1-6).

Defining when a thought becomes a sin according to the scriptures. It is defined very clearly in James 1.

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Sin is connected to an act.

Having said that, the serpent was in the garden and everything so far is said by God to be good and the serpent is standing upright. So, his act of tempting Eve to disobey God is the finish of the lust, which is to usurp the dominion of the earth from Adam.

The principalities and powers in heavenly places, the stars of God, were created on the 4th day.

Satan was created in one of the creation days and all evidences points to day 4.

Here is the evidence plainly stated. You should read the context.

EZ 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

His unchallenged usurpation of the dominion of the earth was clearly confirmed in his temptation of Jesus when he attempted to intice him with the gift of the kingdoms of the earth and the glory of them.

Matt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Ps 115:15 Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

 

[kyredneck]

When was Satan's Fall From Grace?​

God provoked Satan to jealousy by inserting Adam into the garden and giving him dominion.

Satan 'fell' by orchestrating 'the fall'.

 

[Paleouss]

Greetings JD

Defining when a thought becomes a sin according to the scriptures. It is defined very clearly in James 1.

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Sin is connected to an act.

Isn't one of the commandments, "you shall not covet"? Which is an envious desire. This would seem to not be an "act" (if I read you correctly). Paul speaks to coveting being a sin in Romans 7:7. Jesus says that if you lust in your heart one has already committed adultery of the heart Matt 5:28 (seems like a sin).

I agree with the verse from James, thanks.

Having said that, the serpent was in the garden and everything so far is said by God to be good and the serpent is standing upright. So, his act of tempting Eve to disobey God is the finish of the lust, which is to usurp the dominion of the earth from Adam.

This seems to be how I see it as well.


Thanks for your time brother