Have you ever heard of Bill Wiest.
What do you think of his experience?
23 minutes in Hell
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Aug 12, 2010.
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Jedi Knight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
To me it's just as bad as 90 minutes in Heaven. Is God's word insufficient to warn us of the damnation of the ungodly? Do we need a better testimony than Jesus who rose from the dead to verify the reality of the hereafter?
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As far as I'm concerned the bible says everything I need to know.
Darren -
16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Darren -
As a doctor Maurice Rawlings became a Christian by seeing what happened to people after a near death experience. He interviewed those people and found that a number of them had what he called a hell experience rather than a heaven experience. Rawlings wrote the bookTo Hell and Back: Life After Death Startling New Evidence. It is an excellent book.
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Here is another site I just googled -
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/BillWiese_23MinutesInHell_Text.htm
Darren -
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It appears that God gave this man Bill Wiese a taste of what hell is really like in order for him to share it with us. And, for only $29.95 he is willing to share this experience with anyone (who will pay for it).
He is just another con man looking to make money off gullible folk who will fall for his scam! -
I always get the picture with testimonies like these is it just doesn't consistantly line up with scripture, another thing is the tendancy to relay something they claim God says according to their own doctrinal viewpoint, eg God saying He doesn't want to send anyone to hell, that they have authority to cast out and/or bind demons.
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Demons are on the rise in America. I have seen it a few times myself in the church. We often think of it in other countries but it here too. I have seen it in the world and church.
It amazes me how many pastors read books written by the lastest guru but fail to take that same amount of time in serious study. That is on the road of laziness and lack of discipline. -
Beware of men seeking to make money from God's people. -
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"With electrified senses, Bill Wiese experienced the searing flames of hell, total isolation, a putrid, breathtaking stench, deafening screams of agony, terrorizing demons, and finally, the strong hand of God lifting him out of the pit." (from: http://www.soulchoiceministries.org/)
I would submit that his claims reflect a popular, but unBiblical view of hell. Why? The only thing we are told about the current abode of the lost (Hades) is that there is fire there (a flame - Luke 16:24). Beyond that, we are told nothing. We read nothing of "screams of agony" or a "stench" when it comes to hades. We are, however, told that those things will be in the eternal lake of fire which is still in the future (Matt 25:30, 46, Rev 20:11-15, etc). As for "terrorizing demons", we read nothing about that in the New Testament. Demons, and Satan, are sent to hell to be punished not to punish (Matt. 25:41, 2 Pet 2:4, Jude 6, etc). The idea that demons terrorize or torture those in hell is a myth from the middle ages and not a Biblical reality. In my opinion, Bill Wiese did not die and spend 23 minutes in hell. Maybe he had a bad dream. I have dreamed about hell before but I don't claim to have been there (I have also dreamed of heaven). Wiese is profiting off people's curiosity ($29.95). The fact is that God has given us all we need to know and can know about hell. You want to know what hell will be like? Read the Bible. You want to know what heaven will be like? Read the Bible. If the answer is not there the answer has not be revealed. Period.
Wiese's book is based on his experience which is, most likely, not real. To base anything on his book is foolishness. I believe in sola scriptura. My trust is in the Word that God has given us. When it comes to Christian books I only read those that are based on clear teaching of God's Word. I'm not going to give money to someone who wants me to believe what they have to say based on their personal experience and not Scripture. -
Just a clarification - he never said he died - rather he was in some kind of comma - but "absent from the body"
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No one has gone to the lake of fire which shows Bill's experience to be false. He was claiming God said people would spent eternity in THAT place, hardly, since he could not of had a vision or could not have been taken to the lake of fire.
The sad thing is, christians believe these stories because they want to look for more evidence of their faith, for solid proof, they want to believe that God has selected such men as to be equal to an apostle with equal authority that have current ongoing revelations... They end up believing anything and everything, very sad. They are willing to pay for it, sit and listen to it, lifting up these men as some kind of holy guru's chosen by God and they are willing to give good money to make this guy profit well from his making merchandise of his so claimed God sent experience.
Darren -
Let me clarify one item. I am not totally convinced of the actually. I did listen to him as he was being interview on the radio. If anything, he totally believes he actually went thru said experience. I do not know the man personally or in any other capacity, other than what I heard on the radio.
From his interview he does seem very knowledgeable about a broad area of theology - and not just only about hell.
Yes, I am still a skeptic, but this has been a very interesting discussion
Salty -
Darren -
By the way, further proof this is just a scam:
When Paul was caught up into the third heaven, he didn't know whether he was in or out of the body. This guy claims to know he was out of the body. -
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